Talk:Vade retro satana

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Is this phrase only used in catholic christianity? Thanks in advance for the some-what fast response.

I take issue with the use of the term 'Medieval Catholic'. For this prayer was before the Protestant Reformation. 'Medieval Christian' would be a better description. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.132.100.207 (talk) 20:37, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

We can say "catholic", as "catholic" was used at this time to give difference with "orthodox church". I agree this term was used to call "papist" christians after the Reformation. But since centuries, the word was still in use in the 2 Creeds : The Church was said Unam, sanctam, catholicam et apostolicam. 13:58, 13 December 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gwalarn (talk • contribs)

[edit] Vade retro Satana or SatanaS ?

When I ask St Google, a lot of entries are written without "s" at the end of Satana (55600), and an other part with (45800). In my mind, the vocative requires an "s", so it should be "Vade retro Satanas", as I have been learned when I was at school. In the Vulgate Bible (see the source in Wikipedia in Latin here, there are 2 references for this sentence (in 2 different contexts) :

• Jesus speaking to Satan, in Matthew, 4:10 : "Vade Satanas", etc.
• Jesus speaking to Peter, in Mark, 8:33 : "Vade retro me Satana".

Even the Bible seems to differ. Some specialists about this point?
Incidently "Satan", in that context, is a name, not a noun. So why not a capital letter? Gwalarn (talk) 13:12, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

You can also find "Vade Satanas" (or "Sathanas") in other old mevieval Catholic texts, such as in the Carmina Burana. For example, put this string into google, without quotes:

Vade retro quia non sapis ea que sapiunt nummi

It will come back with "Vade retro Sathanas (or Satanas) quia non sapis ea que sapiunt nummi".

(However, I'm not saying this article should be changed - there were clearly varying traditions and usages). Jimhoward72 (talk) 07:29, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Blow me. This is a traditional prayer that has been used for hundred of years, do you lot think you know better than the thousands of people who've used it? Merkin's mum 00:29, 30 April 2008 (UTC)