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[edit] Migration timelines

The article does not cite references to the claim that the migration happened in the 16th centuries. One of the groups of Iyers (including the Vadama subsect) had already migrated from their new found homelands in Tanjore to Palakkad in the late 15th century. The evidences and timeline for the latter migration to Kerala is available.

So the claim of migration in 16th century is inconsistent (rams81 (talk) 17:35, 11 March 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Comments by Vyaghradhataki

I have moved these comments made by User:Vyaghradhataki from the main article to the talkpage:

A belief that is held within the community itself is that its members arrived at various points of time in the far south of the Indian Peninsula, and proceeded to get assimilated into the Vadama on the basis of similarity in beliefs and practices. It is this stage-wise migration that is believed to have given rise to the sub-divisions within the group. For instance, one group is called the Vadadesa Vadama, which means the 'Vadama of the North', while another group is called the Choladesa Vadama, meaning the 'Vadama of the South'. According some the first known "immigration" from north by "vadamas" occured during krita yuagam when sreeman narayanan(mahavishnu) descended upon earth as vamanan and tamed and blessed king mahabali. The brahmin retinue that accompanied vamanan is held to have been "first vadamas". The second known immigration was co-ordinated by lord narayanan in treta yugam when he came down as parasuraman and fought with corrupt kings. He is known to have visited have worshipped lord sivan near villupuram and then presented 36 veli of land to temple while appointing personnel to conduct yaagams. The brahmins appointed by him are held to have been " second wave of vadamas". The third such migration occured during the same treta yugam when lord raman was on his way to lanka. He worshipped lord haran near salem and presented the temple with gold and personnel for services. These people are held to have been "third wave of vadamas". The fourth wave of vadama immigration occured during dwapara age when pandava arjuna came down on piligrimage. he built a temple of sivan near coimbatore and appointed personnel for services. They are held to have been vadamas. The last known immigartaion occurred toards the end of dwpara age when a descendant of pandavas called janamejayan after having completed the snake sacrifice came to absolve himself at chidambaram.he is known to have created a temple for lord siva outside chidambaram and also created colonies for serving personnel. This is known to have been fifth wave of vadamas.No matter how many great royal races come and go in bloody catastrophic battles "vadamas" continue to flourish without losing a hair from their body right to the end of kali age. This is greatest wonder of world.

PS:- IF ANY ONE BELIEVES IN THE ABOVE ASSERTION THEY WILL ALSO BELIEVE THAT FOX IS A HUMAN BEING.

This grup is probably an ofshhot of sramanas(buddists and jains) of previous milleniums.

Point No 1: The article on Ramanuja clearly says that he was born a Vadama. And Ramanuja was born in the 11th century AD long before the Vijayanagar Empire rose to power.

Point No 2: If at all, the scriptures from the Vijayanagar period do not mention the term Vadama but use only "Iyer" and "Iyengar", then they do not mention "Vathima","Brahacharnam","Ashtasahasram","Sozhiyar" and "Sivacharya" as well. Besides, the term Vadama is ambiguous and only means "Northerner". How can it be considered to mean "one from North India". Bsdies, as you have already stated there is one sect of Vadama called "Choladesa Vadama". Drawing out a dubious etymological relationship between "Vadama" and "Vaduga" is pure original research.

Point No 3: The Vadamas speak Iyer Tamil much like other Iyers.

Point No 4: Marathis who migrated during Maratha rule in Thanjavur from the 17th to the 19th century AD could understand Marathi. Similarly, Tamil Brahmins of Telugu origin who migrated during and after the Vijayanagar period have retained a knowledge and basic understanding of Telugu.Do have a look at this article about the Bhagavatha Melas of Melattur:[1]. However, apart from the Telugu-speaking Vadamas who are a minority, most Vadamas are not known to have knowledge of any language other than Tamil thereby indicating that if at all there was any migration, then it must have taken place even prior to the Vijayanagar era.-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 15:43, 3 May 2008 (UTC)