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As a US Navy Yeoman, I was stationed in Glenview, IL and assigned to Admiral Daniel V. Gallery's staff. The command, known as Chief of Naval Air Reserve Training Headquarters. My position was in the Public Information Office. Our staff was heavily involved in the civilian publicity of moving the captured U-505 to the Museum of Science and Industry. The capture of the U-505 was actually one of the best kept secrets of World War II. Because the US wanted to keep the capture secret, the crewmen of the U-505 were interred in a POW camp in upstate New York. They were well treated and allowed to write letters home. However, none of their mail was ever posted. Since it was in our interests that the German Naval Command believed the submarine to have been sunk, it was important no one in Germany ever heard from any crew member. Thus, the Germans did not concern themselves with changing the naval codes, which they would have done had they know the U-505 was captured. Having the codes from the U-505 helped the allies begin to control German submarine operations in the Atlantic.

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• (For his part in saving the ship and her crew from almost certain destruction after their commander had abandoned them, Meyer was merely, "absolved from all blame")

It probably was not a "almost certain death" situation. Unless you define every patrol as near-death-situation.

So it was all just another patrol by just another u-boat? Nothing special happened?

Contents 1 Purpose and benefit of the capture 2 {unreferenced} tag 3 Brought on land? 4 First capture since 1815? 5 505

[edit] Purpose and benefit of the capture

• The capture of U 505 was done to capture her codebooks, which provided the Allies with the ability to read recent German codes. However, in this case it was somewhat futile as the British had already captured enough material to read the German codes.

Gallery captured U 505 mainly because he thought he could. It was neither approved nor disapproved by the Navy. It is true that the British could already read the German U boat communications but each day they had to crack the key of the day. Positional information used map coordinates that the British had not yet fully deciphered. After the capture of U 505 reading the German codes was faster and more complete.Rsduhamel 02:29, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] {unreferenced} tag

This is a pretty good article, but it only cites a single source, and yet contains a lot of anecdotes and stuff that may or may not be apocryphal. Good article, but those interested in the topic, can you maybe find a couple more sources? Thanks! :) --Jaysweet 15:16, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I've a couple of cryptography history books which cover U-505; I'll try and add a few more citations here and there. — Matt Crypto 12:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

This article seems to be taken almost word for word from http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq91-1.htm which lists a select bibliography. Patrick Berry 18:17, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

That page has, according to the Internet Archive, been around since 2000; this page was started in 2002. I was concerned about copyright infringement, but the text is probably in the public domain because the above is "an official US navy site". We should acknowledge the base for the text, though, otherwise it's plagiarism. — Matt Crypto 18:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brought on land?

my grandmother lives in chicago and was working near lake shore drive when the U-505 was brought to the museum. she said they had to get very large pipes and use them as rollers to get them to the museum.

[edit] First capture since 1815?

..the first time a US Navy vessel had captured an enemy at sea since 1815

I didn't want to just add a cite tag to this (they're the wikipedia wonks tool of choice) but is this really true? several years into WW2, and with WW1 before that, and the US navy had not captured anything else? I suppose capturing vessels at sea is quite difficult and excludes those that have been scuttled or surrendered. I just find it surprising, and wonder if this is just a bit of hyperbole that become attached to a famous vessel. EasyTarget 09:34, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

It is not true. We captured a number of ships in the Spanish-American War (see armored cruiser Vizcaya), a number of ships in the American Civil War, and many others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gcal1971 (talk • contribs) 15:33, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 505

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