Talk:United States Marshals Service
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 |
United States Marshals Service is within the scope of the Law Enforcement WikiProject. Please Join, Create, and Assess. Remember, the project aims for no vandalism and no conflict, if an article needs attention regarding vandalism or breaches of wikiquette, please add it to the article watch list. |
| B | This article has been rated as B-Class on the quality scale. |
Contents |
[edit] assesssment
Good article, covers the bases well, possibly overbalanced with lists perhaps, and there needs to be many more references, and images. Other than that, looks good so far.--SGGH 15:25, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I think that these two articles should be merged. --swat671 09:58, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
- I Disagree. They're both very long (imagine how long the merged article would be if they were put together) and seem to do plenty fine on their own. Besides, you provide no reason why you think they should be merged.Dr. B 07:31, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
- Basically, because they're about the same subject and the second one should never have been created (and contains content cut and pasted from the official website). Obvious really. -- Necrothesp 19:50, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Anyone applying to the Detention Enforcemnt Officer postion, Be WARNED!!!, You are treated as a second class citizen within the usms. There is no union, and they expect you to kiss their a** just so you can hope to get a deputy spot.
Do not take this job under any circumstance, its a dead end job and it just plain sucks!yea thats true iam just palying i dont know.
[edit] how many
can it be written clear how many marshels there are today?
[edit] Link dead
Following removed from main article after flagging as 404: The Problem We All Live With --cfmdobbie
[edit] U.S. Marshals Service – oldest federal law enforcement agency?
Check out the U.S. Postal Inspection Service page and compare its' history with that of the Marshals. The USPIS was started in 1772. The Marshals began in the 1780's. How can the Marshals claim to be the oldest?
– Bearyz (Contribs) 19:21, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- The United States Marshals Service claimes to be the oldest “law enforcement agency”.
- The U.S. Postal Inspection Service has the following on its history page:
- 1772 – Under the colonial postal system, Postmaster General Benjamin Franklin created the position of “surveyor” because he could no longer single-handedly regulate and audit postal functions.
- 1801 – Title of surveyor changed to Special Agent.
- 1830 – The Office of Instructions and Mail Depredations was established as the investigative branch of the Post Office Department.
- So obviously, the United States Marshals Service does not consider the pre-1830 Special Agents to constitute a “law enforcement agency”.
—MJBurrage • TALK • 05:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Small problem with that is the whole 1772 thing: the United States did not exist until fifteen years later. In 1789, after the ratification of the Constitution, numerous bills passed through Congress including the Judiciary Act (which established the Marshals.) Although the USPIS has roots in the surveyors office, the surveyor's office was a regulatory and audit office and was not authorized law enforcement functions until 1830. This addresses the same argument that Customs was the first LE agency (US Customs was also created during that onslaught of laws, but was also a regulatory and tax collection agency. Enforcement of the law when violations occured was done by US Marshals on orders of the courts (writs and warrants).
[edit] Confusing section
I think the portion below, while possibly a valid part of the article does not belong so close to the beginning. It is probably not all that understandable to anyone not familiar with the federal civil service or law enforcement. For example a superficial reading make one think he is talking about people who were deputies in 1811. Overall, I would be inclined to cut it entirely, but would like to discuss
– Peter Reilly 21:17, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
OPM Classification
Deputy U.S. Marshals are classified as either General Schedule (GS) 1811 (Criminal Investigator Deputy) or 0082 (Deputy). The 1811 Deputies receive an additional 25% LEAP pay on top of their base pay, and may progress to the grade of GS-12. Additionally, 0082 Deputies may only progress to the grade of GS-11. Due to budget cutbacks, the U.S. Marshals Service only hires 0082 Deputy U.S. Marshals. An 0082 Deputy wishing to become an 1811 Deputy must do so by applying internally. In recent years, the Marshals Service has promoted an average of 120 to 140 (GS)1811 Deputies per year. Recent developments at headquarters, coupled with a new director seem to show promise for advancement opportunities for 0082 Deputies.
0082 Deputies do have the same "Federal Law Enforcement Special Agent" powers as 1811 deputies .0082 Deputies primary duties are very similar to that of their counterpart 1811 deputies, yet 0082 deputies may not act as a lead investigator. 1811 deputies perform mostly investigative related duties such as fugitive apprehension, etc.
[edit] Possible Error
became a U. S. Marshals Service top 15 fugitive on 2001-03-06 because of more than 280 letters that threatened to contain anthrax, which he mailed with return addresses of the U.S. Marshals Service and the U.S. Secret Service in October 2001.
How can someone be added to a list in March for what they did in October of the same year?
[edit] Posse
I removed the citation needed from the posse line since it is asking to prove a negative. As explained in the posse article, this power comes from common law, and therefore exists until it is removed. So it would be possible to prove that this power has been taken away. But absent that proof they do still have said power. The posse article does mention states removing the power from sheriffs, but that would not apply to a Marshal, unless the Federal government removed the powers.
In other words, just like someone is innocent until proven guilty, the Marshals still have this common law power until proven otherwise. —MJBurrage • TALK • 00:33, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Capitalization of "marshal"
Hello all- I think the word "Marshal" is incorrectly capitalized in this article in several places, but didn't want to waltz in and edit without consulting editors more invested in the article. I believe that most style guides would recommend that when the word is not part of a title, e.g. "U.S. Marshals Service, U.S. Marshal John Doe" it should be lower case: A county sheriff and a U.S. marshal walked into a bar... -Eric (talk) 12:41, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
- I would disagree. To leave it lower case would be like saying U.S. marine. Titles such as Marine and Marshal should be capitalized as they denote a specific position or status, even without a name. In these cases the titles themselves are enough to warrant capitalization. If you were to use the terms in an unspecific manner, it would be lower-case. (unsigned)
- I see your point about "Marine," I agree about the use of "Marshal" in a title, and am tempted to agree--but not sure--when "marshal" is preceded by "U.S." while not part of a title. The American Heritage Dictionary treats Marineand marshaldifferently. "U.S. Marshal" doesn't jump out at me as being incorrect, especially in an article about them, but there are a few points in the article where the lone word is capitalized in a general context. -Eric (talk) 18:45, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] 15 Most Wanted list of prominent fugitives
In the 15 Most Wanted List section, it looked like the article would at one point contain numerous names of prominent and/or infamous fugitives. However, for well over a year, it's contained only one name. I'll remove the "list of name" in a few days if nobody objects, for two reasons: one, most of the data presented with the name is off-topic, since it has to do with the fugitive himself (for whom there is already an article) and not the USMS; and two, the decision of which people from the list to include and which not to would undoubtedly become POV, if it isn't already. It should suffice that we already link to the USMS list. --DachannienTalkContrib 11:49, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
- You're completely right, so while having no intention of tromping on your toes, I went ahead and deleted it. Hope you don't mind. -- Davidkevin 00:58, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks much! --DachannienTalkContrib 19:14, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] US Marshals vs FBI
Reading this article, I couldn't really understand what the difference between the Marshals and the FBI is. Both are federal organizations with nationwide jurisdiction. Both are looking for wanted criminals and deal with federal crimes. If anyone knows, would you please include a short section that can explain the difference between the US Marshals and the FBI. Thank you very much, (Einstein00 (talk) 17:10, 27 April 2008 (UTC))
- Informally, they have overlapping but separate responsibilities. The Marshals transport prisoners to and from federal courts and are charged with apprehending fugitives from the courts (bail jumpers and so forth), and the other responsibilities listed in the article. The FBI is the prime agency for chasing bank robbers, kidnappers, and those who commit federal crimes not specifically assigned to other agencies (Secret Service, BATF, Postal Inspectors, DEA), and for performing counter-intelligence. (The FBI, Marshals, and DEA are all part of the Justice Department; BATF used to be part of the Treasury Department but is now also part of Justice; the Secret Service used to be part of Treasury, but is now part of the Homeland Security Department.)
- In the mid-'70s while still imprisoned, Dr. Timothy Leary noted that the Marshals were issued different weapons than FBI agents, and that the Marshals he encountered looked down on the FBI. FBI agents were claimed to have looked down on BATF (particularly during the Branch Davidian debacle in Waco), and so forth.
- With regard to inter-agency cooperation, if I recall correctly, the Warren Commission criticized the FBI under J. Edgar Hoover for its reluctance to share intelligence with other agencies, particularly the Secret Service. There are claims that if the FBI had shared its files on Lee Harvey Oswald with the Secret Service, attention would have been given to Oswald by the Service, with the possible prevention of the Kennedy Assassination. Clearly, rivalry between the various federal law-enforcement agencies remains a factor between them.
- I guess that if I or someone else can look up the appropriate documentation, these differences should be added to the relevant articles to make the distinctions between the agencies more clear. Thanks for bringing up the idea. -- Davidkevin (talk) 18:01, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
