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	Union Pacific Railroad was one of the good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones Date Process Result July 28, 2006 Good article nominee Not listed July 11, 2007 Good article nominee Listed July 17, 2007 Good article reassessment Delisted Current Status: Delisted good article

[edit] Unsourced

I'd like to know where the source is for the following:

The Pacific Electric Company in Los Angeles was a subsidiary of the Union Pacific.

Everything that I have shows it as a subsidiary of the Southern Pacific and not the Union Pacific. slambo 20:44, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

You are correct. —Morven 21:14, Sep 28, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Finances

There isn't anything at all written about profitability, does anyone know if UP makes money or if, like Amtrak, they survive off subsidies? Vicarious 18:04, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

UP definitely makes money, not just off of freight transport, but for land rental for Level 3, Qwest, Kinder Morgan Pipeline, and others that have fiber optic cables and gas lines buried under the right of way. —Equinox137 04:55, Oct 1, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 5511 Question

You mentioned in your article that the 5511 was offered for sale. What is your reference or source for this? I have not heard that and although the 5511 looks good on the outside, have heard that restoration to running condition would take more than it would be worth.

This page at steamlocomotive.com mentions a rumor that it was offered for sale as of 2004, but doesn't go into further detail. I searched around UP's site, but didn't find anything about the locomotive at all even though it is stored at the Cheyenne roundhouse as part of the steam collection. I'll check my other resources at home this week to see if I can find anything else. slambo 16:03, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Officers Remaining from Southern Pacific Railroad

At this time (Jan 2006), I think the only senior UP railroad officer surviving from SP is Rollin Bredenberg. Anyone have any information to the contrary?

I Work in UP's Police Dispatch and I've never heard of the guy. 69.58.249.133 10:17, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Rollin Bredenberg never worked for UPRR. While he was with the SP in the late 70s and early 80s, he jumped ship to the ATSF along with other members of the Krebs Contingent after the failed ATSF/SP merger. Last I heard he was still in the employ of the BNSF Railway as Vice President of Service Design and Performance.

--Sunktanka (talk) 06:49, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jay Gould

See my comment at Jay Gould, because I think there is a bit of conflict between the two articles. Jimbo 00:11, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I edited "Current Trackage"

There is no longer such a beast as "Cheyenne Service Unit". We are now umbrellaed under the Denver Service Unit. SAWgunner 22:46, 8 April 2006 (UTC)SAWgunnerSAWgunner 22:46, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article nomination has failed

The Good article nomination for Union Pacific Railroad has failed, for the following reason:

• No citations; I see no point in the #References section;
• Most parahraphs are one or two sentences. Iolakana|^T 18:00, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

I have removed external links to discussion forums as they are a violation of WP:EL. -- MakeChooChooGoNow 18:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] wikiproject Missouri

i've deceided to be bold and remove the Wikiproject Missouri tag at the top, as the Railrod has no major trackage in Missouri (well, no more than say, Texas, or Iowa) and there are very few mentions of Missouri in the article

Alexander101010 16:23, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You're (not) history

If I could source it, I'd add something about the use of Irish immigrant labor (not Chinese, like most people think; that was the Central Pacific Railroad) & the land grants that made railways so profitable in their early days. Also, I'd mention railways today don't get the subsidies & general revenue spending highways do (which maybe isn't for here...), based on (I think) It's a Sprawl World. Trekphiler 06:48, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Chinese labor on the UP didn't start until the RR reached Utah, due to the fact the Mormons at the time really didn't want the "vice and sin" that came with the Irish/Swedish/American?etc labor brought. I also missed the original track route. Sherman, WY was the highest point on the RR before it was moved. Any thoughts? Mt.holliday (talk) 03:17, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Is this a typo

Hey: this is a little confusing: "UP was entangled in the Crédit Mobilier scandal of 1872. Its early troubles led to bankruptcy during the 1870s, the result of which was reorganization of the Union Pacific Railroad as the Union Pacific Railway on January 24, 1880" Is this just a typo or was the Union Pacific really reformed as the Union Pacific? Dr Mullet 18:08, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Officially changing from "Railroad" to "Railway" or vice versa is actually a common method to keep the same operating name of a company while legally creating a new company. So, it is correct. Slambo (Speak) 18:36, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA pass

I passed this article for GA status. I noticed a couple spelling mistakes and that incomplete list tag in the article. You should improve on these. FunPika 11:57, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I would like to review this article in addition to your review. The reason why I believe this addition review is necessary is because the logo has no fair use rationale and reference section is confusing. These problems violated GA criterias. For now the article will remain in GA status until I complete a in-depth review. However, status may change after my review. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 17:46, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

The logo now has a Fair use rationale. Meaning no offense, but next time feel free to be bold and add it yourself - in the case of logos, the rationale is obvious. --Tim4christ17 ^talk 20:02, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

It takes longer to review the article than checking fair use rationale in logos/images. The reviewer didn't even know the criteria so I'm pretty sure I'll find something that needs to be improved. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 06:01, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

And as a not-so-impartial editor, I was a little surprised to see this promoted to GA so easily. I think there's quite a bit more that could be done here especially in referencing the text. Slambo (Speak) 11:03, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Common line names

From [1]:

1. Overland Route
2. Sunset Route
3. I-5 Corridor
4. KP Line
5. Tucumcari Line
6. TP Line
7. Spine Line
8. OKT Line
9. WPRI Line
10. SI Line
11. SPCSL
12. Coast Line
13. Central Corridor
14. Rabbit Line
15. T&HC Line
16. Dalsa Line
17. Tennessee Pass
18. Modoc Line
19. Feather River Corridor
20. Northwest Corridor

Each of these could probably be a separate article. --NE2 11:34, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The environmental awareness section

While the editor who added this section (twice) did provide links to reliable sources (thank you very much for that!), the section is worded in a way that sounds disparaging to the company and not neutral. We need to include both the good and the bad, but what we need here is just as Joe Friday is always quoted, "Just the facts, ma'am." Slambo (Speak) 12:49, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I tried to clean it up a little bit. Several of the sentences did not reflect the meaning of the sources even remotely. This section still sounds heavily biased, and Cmray has been adding 'environmental' sections to several articles, with the same bias and misquoting of sources. Should I clean all those up, too, or say to heck with it? Thanks Drewster1829 (talk) 06:58, 9 May 2008 (UTC)