User talk:Umeboshi

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Contents 1 Collapse of the World Trade Center 2 The Garish and Hoax Promoting Template 3 Zoom disambig on Kevin Barrett 4 RE:Moving Pages 5 911 Conspiracy Theories/Alternative Theories 6 about hoaxes, conspiracies & paranoid times… 7 9/11: The Big Lie 8 Israeli art students 9 They huffed, and puffed, . . . 10 map links

[edit] Collapse of the World Trade Center

Re: [1]. Please take this change up at the talk page and attempt to gain consensus before making the change. There has been a long ongoing debate about this change that has lasted for months and months. Please do not make a presumption that reverting again will result in progress in the article. It will be reverted, and continued reversions will not lead to progress on the article. If you have a case to make regarding titling of the section, take it to the talk page and get agreement on it first. Please stop reverting. --Durin 18:45, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Garish and Hoax Promoting Template

It would actually be better to remove the offensive template rather than pushing it on pages where it does not belong and has not existed at all. It is an unsightly and was originally created by defenders of the official story to make the "conspiracy theorists" look idiotic by wrapping the hoaxes up with the sincere stuff. If you aren't aware, it groups together those who promote ideas that nukes (Jimmy Walters) and space weapons (James Fetzer) destroyed the WTC, with people who are doing scientific research (Steven Jones, Jim Hoffman, etc) -- it's purpose is to discredit everyone in there by association. That's why the defenders of the official story created it.152.131.10.133 02:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I've tried helping with the template but it's impossible, the official story defenders only insert the nonsense promoters into there over and over. Easier to delete it every time I see it. You could spend your time better on other things. 67.180.110.244 18:13, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Until corrections are made to the template, I will remove it. They are currently not in place. The website ST911 promotes the idea that a space beam came down and destroyed the WTC, and that nukes were used on 9/11. Please do not put links to that site on here. If you think these things happened on 9/11 you are in the huge minority and should not be claiming to represent 9/11 truth efforts or even honest editing efforts given the level of those hoaxes how extremely few of the researchers and activists support such things. You'll notice that the defenders of the official story will post these links over and over to discredit us. bov 22:13, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zoom disambig on Kevin Barrett

The reason very few results show up for the ZOOM cast member is because the last names were not made public until the show was cancelled. -- Zanimum 14:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE:Moving Pages

Oh, I was just going by his comments at the bottom of the AfD. He said that he agrees "that the name should be changed to Information Sharing and Customer Outreach to make it more clear." (note that Tom is Siriusfarm). Gzkn 02:33, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

That's cool, I just left a comment on his talk page asking him to decide which one he prefers. Whichever one he decides is fine with me, they're both better than the original. :) Umeboshi 02:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 911 Conspiracy Theories/Alternative Theories

Why dont we focus on identifying individual points of objection at Talk:9/11_conspiracy_theories#Why_dont_the_Oppose_and_Agree_camps.3F instead of having long winded debates that cover 2 or 3 subjects The we we know everyones objections either way, we can work out a compromise on each point with a view to reaching a consensus. "Snorkel | Talk" 09:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] about hoaxes, conspiracies & paranoid times…

Hey, you know how I appreciate your contributions and efforts… Apologies if that rant disturbed you, it was more of a general comment, like the one you wrote about articles lost in history... it doesn’t mean that I had second thoughts about reasons behind your action. If you remember the circumstances of our first encounter, you'll know exactly what was on my mind… once again, I'm sorry if my formulation sounded like personal remark, there was no such intention. Lovelight 15:58, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 9/11: The Big Lie

I have now totally revamped/stubified this article in order to deal with the POV issues. Please take a look at the new version if you like. Thanks, Bwithh 08:01, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I will tomorrow. It's 2am here now, so my concentration is low. Thanks for the help. :) Umeboshi 08:15, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey thanks very much for your helpful message, User:Umeboshi. I think reference footnotes are a good idea (I'm not quite used to making them yet). I will take a look at the old 3 part thesis, but without having read the book, it might be hard to consider it reliable. A starting point for the synopsis might be the rebuttal of key claims by the US State Dept? Though that also has POV issues maybe? oh and happy xmas too! Bwithh 02:16, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I'll do the footnotes. I just wanted your preference before I started. Btw, if anybody tells you that xmas take the Christ out of Christmas, point them here. Umeboshi 02:52, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Ah, so that's what it's called. I'd vaguely heard about the explanation before but didnt know the details. thanks ! Bwithh 17:00, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Israeli art students

Thanks, Umeboshi! Yes, it has surprised me how quick on the draw (and vituperative) some folks have been in expunging any reference to the alleged/purported/apparent Israeli espionage. As happens in other contexts, I think some people conflate criticism of Israel with anti-semitism -- or conflate this intentionally. The ironic thing is that if all this stuff is true (as seems at least worth serious consideration), it even reflects well on Israel, as there is evidence Israel warned the US that something big was coming. All countries spy; to me, that's not such a big deal. I just want to know about it in this particular case, and feel annoyed when any discussion is stifled "with extreme prejudice."

I had not managed to back up that first page, which bummed me out for a couple of days, but then I found it in Google's cache! Couldn't get the Talk page, though.

Anyway, thanks again for your support! I really appreciate it. I'm just going to make a final impertinent retort to Mr. Know-it-All, take a few deep breaths, and then let it go for the nonce. Take care, and best wishes to you for Christmas and the New Year! --Fluffbrain 04:06, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi Umeboshi! Thanks, but I think I'm just going to let this topic go, as far as Wikipedia is concerned. It is too stressful to do battle with some of these characters, and I don't really know my way around the various political systems. If you are interested in re-posting and pursuing the topic, I think that would be great! I've got to release it. I had steam coming out of my ears last night! And at "this advanced age" I've reached, that's not too good. Thanks again, and I hope you are having a very nice day today! Best wishes! --Fluffbrain 20:16, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

I was somewhat surprised at how quickly this was deleted; I saw a google cache of this that looked fairly well sourced. User:Fluffbrain has been banned now, but you might want to throwing this to WP:DRV. -- Kendrick7^talk 20:37, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] They huffed, and puffed, . . .

Thank you for offering your opinion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:GabrielF/ConspiracyNoticeboard (2nd mfd). Look forward to seeing you around in 2007 at Conspiracy Central! For a little fun, check out Brad Greux's video blog at The Most Brilliant and Flawlessly Executed Plan, Ever, Ever. Good cheer from The Mad Dog, Morton devonshire 20:00, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

My response to Morty (not you)

Ahoy there, unflagging Bush-junta supporter!

The spamalicious graphic notification you left on my (and 25+ other) talk page[s] was in violation of WP:SPAM, specifically "promotion of ...Web sites, fandoms, ideologies, or other memes." How would you like it if I left you a similar message promoting : 911 Truth: Bush read about a pet goat while America burned? Wait... I just did! :-) Good cheer, returned - F.A.A.F.A. 23:05, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

In Veritas Veritas - Cheers - F.A.A.F.A. 23:25, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] map links

The way you have constructed your map, your page is linked to hundreds of WP articles, and appears in each category as well. I came across it in trying to sort out some categories. Do you think you could figure out a way of doing it that would not affect the encyclopedic content of WP. (Interesting map, though.) DGG 07:54, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I haven't been on wikipedia in a while. I just came today to categorize a spy movie, The Quiller Memorandum, that wasn't in the Category:Spy films. I fixed the category links in the map. There were three of them, two of them duplicates. Umeboshi 21:46, 31 January 2007 (UTC)