Talk:Symphony No. 6 (Nielsen)

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I removed this passage: Several symphonies in the 20th century had wind-only scherzos and string-only slow movements, for example the Sinfonia Serena of Paul Hindemith, and the Eighth symphony of Vaughan Williams, though Nielsen does not follow this pattern very closely here since his scherzo includes percussion instruments and the slow movement includes important writing for winds. It seems less than coherent as it stands. Firstly, this article is about Neilsen 6, not the structure of 20th century symphony. The symphony predates the Hindemith (1946) and the Vaughan Williams (1955), and so Nielsen was not following their pattern. Two is not "several" - although there may obviously be other examples I can't think of. Finally, as the passage says, the "scherzo" isn't winds-only, and the Proposta seria is not for strings-only. In fact, now I think about it, the statement is actually saying "two symphonies in the 20th century had wind-only scherzos and string-only slow movements, but this is not one of them." --RobertG ♬ talk 16:10, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

I also removed this: The opening is just a bit similar to that of the slow movement of his Fourth symphony. This seems to me a bald and arbitrary statement. Is it being presented as evidence of the autobiographical nature of the work? Did Simpson say it? If it's not referenced, then it's original research. --RobertG ♬ talk 16:10, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Yep, "Several symphonies in the 20th century had wind-only scherzos and string-only slow movements, for example the Sinfonia Serena of Paul Hindemith, and the Eighth symphony of Vaughan Williams, though Nielsen does not follow this pattern very closely here since his scherzo includes percussion instruments and the slow movement includes important writing for winds." (or rather the version I wrote, which was even less coherent) didn't belong in the article - was an offhand observation that didn't contribute to understanding. (hrm, the HTML <q> doesn't work here...)

I think I can remember some other works that have almost entirely strings-only slow movements - almost entirely, as their endings serve to introduce the finales, so it only stands to reason that the rest of the orchestra would re-enter by way of transition - like Havergal Brian's 12th symphony, say. But Nielsen's preceded all those that come to mind offhand. Schissel-nonLop! 17:39, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sub-title

Did Nielsen ultimately keep the subtitle or remove it? I have seen the symphony listed both ways. --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 15:54, 30 August 2007 (UTC)