Talk:Symphony No. 5 (Shostakovich)
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does anyone else think that the fact that morrissey sampled this in the song 'the teachers are afraid of the pupils of the album southpaw grammar should be included? ??
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In words of a critic, the composer had finally succeeded to free himself from "individualistic chaos and formalist experimentation". Which critic? Mark1 00:12, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Removal of the "trivia"
I hope nobody is too upset for my removal of the silly bit of trivia that somebody inserted into this article. Pop musicians "sampling" from serious music is nothing unusual and deserves no special mention in an article dealing with serious music. After all, I don't see anyone citing Dr. Dre's and Xzibit's use of J.S. Bach's Third Brandenburg Concerto in their song, Symphony in X major (I think that's what it was called) from the Man vs. Machine album in the Brandenburg concerto article.
Hey, it was me that added it, thought it might be interesting but if you feel that it isn't appropriate then ok.
And by the way, Morrissey isn't a pop musician :D
[edit] Something Silly
"Most believe the beginning to be boring, but Shostakovich knows how to write his music, so when the climatic sections are present they are most exciting and intensly musically entertaining."
is "boring" the right word here, it seems more appropriate to say "uneventful". and "but Shostakovich knows how to write his music" sounds bad, really bad. I would ask for removal or re-wording.
and intensely is spelled wrong.
I will get to work ASAP on a general rewrite of this article. El Chileno Chido 19:29, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, this article definitely needs rewriting... my four cents: - "first movement starts calm, tense, and slow" if you've heard it, it's certainly not calm - more distressed and menacing. in the performances i've heard, it doesn't sound particularly slow with its moderato marking either.
- "The strings then come in with a very fun and exciting melody" this is just an extreme example of the sloppy, informal and childish tone of this article. i would argue that the string melody is far from 'very fun' also.
- two different spellings of timpani are used throughout the article.
- "The last two measures is a percussion soli featuring the tympani and the bass drum, but most people remember the very end of the piece as the "cool bass drum solo"." OK, solo is spelled wrong but this really is the icing on the cake. I can't believe an article on such a famous piece ended up like this.
[edit] Apalling Article
Someone needs to rewrite this article ASAP. It's worse than Ian MacDonald!```` —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Glasnost111 (talk • contribs) 10:42, 8 February 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Planning on some serious revision
I'm listening to the symphony right now, and it's pretty clear that a lot of the article needs rewriting. I'll try to redo some of it in a few days. All the subjective descriptions of the movements need to be taken out (especially anything having to do with "fun" -- obviously somebody didn't understand Shostakovich at all), and the fourth movement doesn't need a blow-by-blow synopsis. People can just go listen to it instead :-) I have a better translation of the famous quote about the ending, and some more useful info in general, from a terrific book by David Dubal -- "The Essential Canon of Classical Music." A little background on Shostie could be included too, to show where the symphony came from -- what do you all think? It's definitely a very "motivated" piece, and he risked his life writing it.
By the way, I HIGHLY recommend the recording by Kertesz, with the Orchestre de la Suisse Romande, 1962. The Realms of Gold 02:00, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Bartok quote at end of 1st movement?
Can anyone cast any light on what I hear as a quote from Bartok's 1st quartet at the end of the 1st movement of Shostakovich's 5th symphony? One minute before the end of the 1st movement of Shostakovich's 5th symphony, the solo violin plays a slow tune. This sounds like the tune in the two violins in Bartok's 1st quartet, 90 seconds before the end of the 2nd movement, immediately after the cello pizzicatos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bartokfan (talk • contribs) 20:02, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
