Talk:Sufi metaphysics
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[edit] Fixing this article
I believe that a concerted effort needs to be made to save this article. This article is very hard to understand by someone who doesn't already know what the topic covers or who is not a Muslim. I have cleaned up some of the english, and added a lead which attempts to accurately summarize what's in the article for someone unfamiliar with the topic.
Sadly, there seems to be a strong bias by some to edit this article to simply make the whole concept of Wahdat ul Wujood look discredited rather than as a widespread and actively held philosophy.
I agree with Ali Hakim below, I also think it is quite valid to compare pantheism and panenthesis to wahdat-ul-wujood. This is most useful for non-Muslims who might better be able to understand wahdat-ul-wujood in the context of these two separate "western" philosophies. I believe it would be biased to leave this section out.
The section on Wahdat-ul-Shuhud needs expanded still and the final section is in terrible need of basic clean up also.
Hope this helps. Earthdirt 03:27, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
- Can anyone tell me what in the world the following section of this article means? As far as I can tell it is nonsense. If someone can't clarify this passage it should be deleted, I have removed it for now. Also I moved the paragraph it ws in up from the last section to the section on "wahdat-ul-wujood" since the whole debate didn't need rehashed in the last section.:
By the act of creation through the word kun (be), Ibn Arabi means the descent of Absolute Existence into the determined beings through various stages.[citation needed] This gradual descent of the Absolute Existence is called tanazzulat al-khamsa (five descents) or ta'ayyunat al-khamsa (five determinations) in Sufi terminology.
Thanks, Earthdirt 03:44, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
"Abu Hafs Umar al-Suhrawardi and Abd-al-karim Jili were also proponents of apparentism." I've seen elsewhere this claim that Jili was a proponent of 'apparentism', but his work "Universal Man" (al insan al kamil) reads, on the contrary, as a very clear statement of 'wahdat al wujud'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.245.96.254 (talk) 11:56, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Merge
Discussed on the other article. Please don't add comments here. --Nkv 12:04, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps there should be more info outlining the sufi/salafi debate on this issue.
[edit] Bias View in support of Wahdat ul Wujood
I don't see what's wrong with clarifying the differences. "Pantheism" is a rather specific philosophical position that developed quite independantly from Wahdat-ul-Wujood. There's nothing wrong with making a valid distinction between the two, as long as we note not everyone acknowledges this distinction. --> Ali Hakim
The following section talks about the difference between Wahdat-ul-Wujood and Pantheism. Certainly, someone who is in the favor of Wahdat-ul-Wujood ideology, is trying to twist the concept.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wahdat-ul-Wujood&action=edit§ion=2
This section should be deleted. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ibn Saeed (talk • contribs) 13:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC).
