Talk:Stock car racing
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"... equality of the machinery makes the racing closer and results much more of a test of driver and pit crew ability than more technically-oriented motor racing series..."
Must chime in here, its my opinion this is inaccurate, stock car drivers may be talented and rigoursly tested, but only really at one or two things, getting into position without crashing when the race starts and tailing the leader's envelope before jumping into a higher rank. For one, they do not have to deal with the much more difficult tracks like those found in F1 (ex. Monaco GP). I'm not going to even get into WRC.
Its not so much that you're exaggerating driver talent in stock car racing, but this entry badly trivializes the role ability plays in "more technically-oriented motor racing".
- First you seem to forget that a couple races are run on road courses in NASCAR. (The vast majority of races have simpler tracks, of course.) Second I think this comparison is mostly aimed at F1, not necessarily some of the other series. Do technical differences play a large role in, say, IndyCar or CART? Rmhermen 20:10, May 5, 2004 (UTC)
- If it's aimed at F1 it should say that. The fact is technical differences are virutally a non-issue in Indy Car and Champ Car racing, and in fact IRL races tend to be as competitive as NASCAR races if not more so.--Mjj237 16:30, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
I feel this is an extremely inaccurate and misleading article. For one, the opening paragraph seems to describe NASCAR cup racing exclusively, although “stock car” racing usually refers to all NASCAR national and regional touring series, several other sanctioning bodies stock car racing series, as well as various local late-model, sportsman, dirt etc. classes. Secondly, the criticisms describes tactics that are almost exclusive to “restrictor plate” racing. It is a common misconception that all races play out like this, but this is far from the truth. NASCAR cup only runs four restrictor plate races a year, and many other series run less or none of these races.--RA64 03:20, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Stock Car Racing in Britain
Is this section refering to the same thing as SCSA/DoT/ASCAR? Kurohone 00:46, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] if you could be so kind
Could someone with much more wikipedia knowledge than me edit the brazilian Stock car link, so it does not appear only as (1)?
Thanks in advance
Hednesford Race-way is mint! Look it up.
[edit] TC2000
Is this category, TC 2000, a stock car series? Though I don't understand the difference well, doubt it is a touring car series. --Morio 22:55, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Late model?
Aren't late models a form of stock car racing (World of Outlaws, etc)? It'd be nice to know the difference between late models and Nascar-type racing. --Bk0 (Talk) 02:30, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
- I am having trouble finding their rules but from the few images, the cars externally look substantially non-stock (by which I mean unlike production versions of cars). Rmhermen 02:49, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
- There are many regional sanctioning bodies which run "late models". The ASA late models and the NASCAR local division Late Model Stock Cars are quite stock-appearing, while most dirt-track late models look very little like production cars. The name appeared in the 1950s when "stock car racing" (as opposed to built-for-racing sprints, midgets, and champ cars) diverged into two types of cars: "modifieds" (prewar coupes and coaches, with cut-down bodies and truck parts) and "late models" (modern sedans with full bodies). In the 1970s, builders created purpose-built late models with extreme left-side weight distribution, wedgy noses, and high rear spoilers. Since that period, most late models have used no production-car components. World of Outlaws has a touring dirt late model series, but is mainly known for its sprint cars, which don't look at all like anything stock. Barno 05:30, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] BRISCA FORMULA ONE AND TWO
Prior to my edit, there was no mention of British Stock Cars being called either "The Seniors"/"Senior Stock Cars" ie now 'Formula One' and "The Juniors"/"Junior Stock Cars", but now called 'Formula Two'!
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[edit] Early history
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I'm told the sport has origins in souped-up cars used to avoid authorities during Prohibition in the United States in the 1920s and 1930s? -- Beland 03:28, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
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- This is not the origin of the sport (manufacturers used stock or near-stock cars at Indianapolis in the 1910s to showcase their products, for example), but bootlegging illicit liquor was the first fast-car activity of Junior Johnson and some other notable racers in NASCAR's early history. This got showcased in The Last American Hero, popularizing it as perhaps more important to the sport's roots than it really was. Something probably should be added for this, but it isn't a crucial point. It's more about lore than about the actual formation of any part of the sport. Barno 15:14, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The Golden Ages
In the portion after the ban on the 426 Hemi, it states that "Richard Petty's and David Pearson's Chargers dominated" in 1966. Incorrect. Richard Petty drove a Plymouth that year and up to 1969, when he switched to Ford. He stayed with Plymouth from 1970-1973. That was the first time he used a Dodge.
The article also states that Dodge could not compete in the Daytona in 1970. That's not right either. They did use the Daytona in 1970. Richard Petty did NOT win the 1970 season, as the article states. He lost to Bobby Isaac.--Alexrules43 15:17, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] homologation example
I removed the following from the "The Early Years" section: An excellent example of Homologation is when Lee Petty won the national championship in 1954, when he raced a Chrysler New Yorker with the largest factory brakes available, using a Dodge automotive Hemi V-8 engine with a heavy-duty Dodge truck transmission. Dodge was a division of Chrysler, and all of the parts he used were available to the general public. That isn't homologation at all. A far better example would be the (circa 1969) Dodge Charger Daytona / Plymouth Superbird or the Ford Torino Talladega equivalent, where the factories made 500 (or whatever number was set in the rulebook) examples. Another case would be the (circa 1987) Monte Carlo SS and Grand Prix "cockroach" where the factory put plexiglass rear windows behind the roof to turn aerodynamically-awful notchbacks into fastbacks. The Lee Petty mix-and-match example would be useful if described accurately, so maybe it can be edited back in with the first words replaced, and maybe a more appropriate homologation example can be edited in. Barno 19:53, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] NASCAR is not the be-all end-all of stock car racing
The article is way too focused on NASCAR. NASCAR is not the be-all end-all of stock car racing. Stock car racing happens in many countries in the world, with a wide range of vehicles and speeds, with competitors ranging from hobbyists to internationally known professionals. Djd sd (talk) 22:45, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] NASCAR (etc) versus British Stock Cars
I agree with Djd sd. But, I think the types of racing around the world which have evolved from the original Stock Cars have become so diverse that it is impossible for a single article to cover them properly. May I suggest that the article Stock Car Racing should, effectively, be a disambiguation page with a single short paragraph of explanation about how it all started, together with links to the various sub categories such as British Stock Cars, NASCAR, etc. It should be noted that Britain's only large banked oval is Rockingham, where ASCAR has been an attempt to introduce American-style modern stock cars to the UK; this is very different to the classes of car raced at the remainder of UK's short oval tracks. Clearly, British and European racing should NOT be part of WikiProject NASCAR!Weydonian (talk) 14:02, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
