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Thunderbunny was right when he wrote that SH has a high Jewish population. I think that is an important influence on the character of the neighborhood, but it could be said better than how he said it. If you go there, you'll find the Jewish Community Center, various synagogues, kosher markets, and numerous bumper stickers related to the comming of the Mosiach (or whatever they call him). You also see a fair number of orthodox Jews on the street (identified by how they dress) AdamRetchless 11:55, 1 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I'm going to agree with AdamRethcless on this one. To deny that SH has a large Jewish population is to deny something very fundamental about the neighborhood. This statement can easily be softened: SH has not always had a high population; Highland Park and the Hill used to be Pittsburgh's Jewish neighborhoods. How bout something like this: "Beginning around (some time), Squirrel has had a high Jewish poulation..." MatthewMeisel 14:04, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- I think that proposal is good Matthew. Unfortunately I don't know that information and am not going to do that research right now. Maybe I'll get around to it or ask one of my Jewish friends in SH if they want to research this. We could probably grab some information from the JCC and synagogues. For starters, it would be good to know when these organizations were established in SH and get some figures about their membership. AdamRetchless 19:09, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- Incidentally, the strip district has a history museum that has a lot of good information on the history of Pgh, and it does include information on early Jewish social services in the city, along with some history of the various neighborhoods/former towns. Pgunn 09:00, 19 Apr 2004 (EST)
- A simple search reveals that the United Jewish Foundation did a study on the population of jews in Pittsburgh, and half of them live in Squirrel Hill. This quote reveals why people want to mention the jewish population of Squirrel Hill: "The stability of Squirrel Hill, a geographic hub of the Jewish community located within the city limits, is unique in North America." http://www.ujf.net/content_display.html?ArticleID=84629
"Beginning around 1920, Squirrel has had a high Jewish poulation..."
Due to lack of transportation infrastructure and distance from downtown Squirrel was a remote suburb until the 1920's. Squirrel Hill has been a Jewish neighborhood as long as it's existed as a neighborhood. I've lived in Squirrel Hill all my life, I'm proud of the fact that it is a Jewish neighborhood, and I like how clearly this article states this. If someone has a problem with that, they have a problem with Squirrel Hill.
The JCC's membership isn't a good indicator of Squirrel Hill's Jewish population. The JCC provides community services to everyone in Squirrel Hill not just the area's Jewish residents. They have a health club, with the only indoor pool in walking distance, and many of Squirrel Hill's non Jewish residents are JCC members for this reason. Because of the diverse services it provides, joining the JCC is not cheap, so not all of the neighborhoods Jewish residents are members. The JCC in Squirrel Hill provides the same services a YMCA provides in many other places. I suspect that Jewish residents of Squirrel Hill are more likely to be JCC members than non-Jewish residents but I have no data to back that up. I also suspect the amount of time one has lived in Squirrel Hill correlates with JCC membership, though again I have no data to back that up. Not all JCC members are from Squirrel Hill either.
--Absolute Relativity 04:46, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
According to maps on the City of Pittsburgh web site, CMU is clearly in Squirrel Hill. Matthewmeisel 06:57, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- The maps are incorrect. CMU is in zip code 15213, which is reserved for Oakland and Bellefield. I believe that the staff orientation also included local area information showing that CMU is in Oakland. On the other hand, the Campus Plan Document suggests that CMU spans Squirrel Hill and Oakland, so I suppose it's fair to say either, by that source. Most information I've seen suggests Oakland as the primary home, *shrug*
- I don't know how the maps can be "incorrect," since the city has the final authority in drawing lines between neighborhoods, even if the zip codes don't perfectly match. Granted, part of CMU is in Oakland (namely, the Mellon Institute), but I think the current edit by Pgunn is both a good compromise and entirely accurate. Matthewmeisel 21:30, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Despite the official lines CMU is usually considered part of Central Oakland, because Oakland is causally defined where the colleges are. Neighborhood lines on a map mean very little, if anything; they are not used for any official proposes whatsoever, and for all practical purposes the residents simply know where their neighborhood ends and the next begins. Many neighborhood lines are blurred, so the appropriate placement of CMU in a neighborhood is that it exists in Squirrel Hill/Oakland. Most Pittsburghers believe Forbes Ave., where in borders CMU's campus is the border between Squirrel Hill and Oakland. This appears self evident when crossing that stretch of Forbes. Squirrel Hill is predominately residential, with a decent sized small town like business district (a normal model for Pittsburgh's residential neighborhoods), Oakland is "Pittsburgh's second downtown", and is much more urban than Squirrel Hill is. All of CMU's buildings fit the urban model and not the residential one, so it appears to be in Oakland.
--Absolute Relativity 04:46, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Is it time to remove the stub message? 68.162.159.119 03:26, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)
One-fifths of Sq Hill is Jewish? Isn't it more? And where's the estimate from? 140.247.240.142 21:52, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Merge
History of Squirrel Hill should merged into Squirrel Hill; both articles would be made stronger by the inclusion. --Chris Griswold 18:10, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Survey
- Merge --Chris Griswold 18:10, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose merge. I think the Squirrel Hill article would be enhanced by a brief capsule summary of the content of the History of Squirrel Hill article, but the inclusion of all the material would be excessively long, unbalancing the parent article. If the other sections are expanded, I might change my opinion. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 14:06, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
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- I think history should be one of the main components of the article. --Chris Griswold 18:53, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
- Merge per ChrisGriswold. --LexiMoore 20:16, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Alright, it's been over two weeks. We have two votes for the merge and one against. It looks like that's the closest thing we'll have to a consensus if only three people are going to be involved. I'm going to merge the articles, but I will try to address User:Hit bull, win steak's concerns. --Chris Griswold 10:55, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
