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I'm going to edit this article to offer a more inclusive picture of the original Japanese series, which is variously named either "Space Cruiser Yamato" or "Space Battleship Yamato". I'm going to move this article to "Space Cruiser Yamato", since that's the name I've heard more often. "Star Blazers" is only a very small and heavily-edited subset of the Space Cruiser Yamato anime. Brian Kendig 01:36, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I determined that Space Battleship Yamato is the more correct name. I'm correcting that in the articles now. Brian Kendig 14:09, 31 May 2004 (UTC)

I used the phrases "yet another evil enemy" and "melodrama abounds" to describe the fifth movie. I know that's POV, but the movie is REALLY HEAVY-HANDED, and I could use some help figuring out how to get that across without being so POV about it. (It seems, in most of the Yamato movies, like the first 1/3 of the time is spent with everyone mourning lost comrades and the last 1/3 of the time is spent endlessly watching someone die in a noble sacrifice.) Brian Kendig 14:46, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)

There is a bit of historical background and a whole lot of Nishizaki's ego involved in the English for Yamato originally being named Space Cruiser Yamato.--Outis 02:01, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Fictional spacecraft category? 2 A relic from an evil, World War II icon 3 Character list 4 Star Trek Parallells 5 Sources 6 Let's up that rating! 7 Criticism as Star Wars ripoff? 8 Project A-Ko 9 Jordanian Dub 10 Fair use rationale for Image:SpaceBattleshipYamato.jpg

[edit] Fictional spacecraft category?

I removed this article from the Fictional spacecraft category, but someone obviosly disagree with me. I realy don't think this article belong in that category though. There is next to nothing about fictional spacecrafts here. I suggest either writing a seperate article about the ship the show is named after and put that in the apropriate category. Or at least add a section with some details about the ship somewhere in this article (like in the Red Dwarf article for example. Fictional spacecraft was littered with links to TV shows and movies that contained no more than the name of a fictional spacecraft (while the rest where usualy plot details), so I removed most of them (including this one). I feel that an article should include at the very least a section detailing one or more actual fictional spacecraft before it qualifies to be listed on Fictional spacecraft. Even if it is about a movie, show or book centered around a fictional spacecraft it should contain some actual info about said spacecraft before it has any business in Fictional spacecraft. That's my humble opinion anyway. Is that just me?

--Sherool 23:14, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

• Start writing then. The ship is a nationalist japanese icon (see rant below) and the very naming of the show after the ship was controversial enough to warrant a rename and re-dubbing before it came to America. The cat is very appropriate here. SchmuckyTheCat 04:36, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] A relic from an evil, World War II icon

I've seen Space Cruiser Yamato, and it bothers me to think that this ship will be the saviour of the human race in terms of fighting the Gamillons and retriving the Cosmo DNA, a device that supposedly bring back life on Earth.

This so-called Space Cruiser was the dreadful Yamato, a battle cruiser used by Japanese oppressors of WWII. The Philippines suffered from the atrocities of these uniformed monkeys and criminals. The Japanese themselves had no guts to admit to the world how horrifying they turned the lives of Asian Peoples to death, rape and mayhem for their so-called Co Prosperity Sphere. They even hide this reality to their children. (There were no known Japanese Invassion and Attrocities in their history books. They were depicted as victims of the war...The war that they initiate!) Now, they create this story, glorifying the Yamato like a super hero space cruiser, and the creators are trying to show that it's fighting for the survival of the human race. This is totally abominable! Instead of the Yamato, they should have turned the U.S.S. Missouri into an honorable space cruiser,on a journey to save the human race and not the Yamato!

Are you Southeast Asian or White American to be so indignant?

I'm guessing the former. (White) Americans wouldn't be so overtly racist (we'd be more subtle about it); also, most of us (Americans) have managed to "get over" WWII, while Asia likes to use Japan as a scapegoat for their own cultures' problems. (Like how the Middle East uses America and Israel as their scapegoat.) Evan1975 03:42, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

IMHO this 'thread' is disgraceful - Ensign R 04:16, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it's basically right, except with emotional, incendiary language. I can see this anime's popularity being limited by its central ship. The point is that the audience doesn't see it as a tool of imperialist oppression, but as Japan's greatest military achievement. And there isn't anything wrong with the ship intrinsically - it is what it is used for. But this thread is actually irrelevant for a site like Wikipedia. Brutannica 01:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I agree with Ensign R, and the anon shmuck who created this topic ought to bring his biases somewhere else. Eaglestorm 03:08, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Character list

I'm gonna start work on a list of characters, with both Yamato and Star Blazers versions of their names... unless one already exists and was deleted? Should it be under "Space Battleship Yamato characters" or "Characters in Space Battleship Yamato"? Is it even worth asking? :-$ Dave-ros 17:45, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

• yay, go to work. If you're worried about deletion, start working on it in this article, then move it out when it gets large. SchmuckyTheCat 17:57, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

So far, so good -- I've done most of the human and Gamilon characters, and maybe tomorrow I'll start work on the Comet Empire. I could use some fact-checks as to who certain characters were named after, though -- any Japanese experts in the house? You might also like to look at my attempts to find out the kanji making up everyone's names. Don't worry, I've included the Star Blazers versions of the names too. I'd appreciate a bit of guidance with regards to neatness, how to include the Japanese and English voice actors, etc. Dave-ros 01:13, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Me again -- am gonna do a list of planets as well, since there are already calls for the Iscandar article to be merged with this one... will probably include the real planets of the Solar System as they are featured in the show (with, of course, wiki-links to the real articles)! Dave-ros 22:20, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Star Trek Parallells

Why was the entry about the Gamilons changing skin color removed? I seem to remember that Ganz, Bane and all the Gamilons under their command were caucasian. But all Gamilons seen after that were blue. In fact, Desslock in his early appearances, along with Krypt both had a more mauve skin tone before becoming blue. That part especially mirrors Kor, Kang, and Koloth from TOS appearing as ridge forehead Klingons inexplicably (at that time)in DS9Mr. ATOZ 19:42, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I suggest the Star Trek Parallels section be trimmed of extraneous fanboish stuff, e.g. "having to take an inexperienced cadet crew into combat during training", "scene where the Yamato must outrun ... the explosive shockwave", and "Star Trek II featured the death of Spock and Arrivederci Yamato featured the death of everyone save one or two supporting characters". These are basic plot manoeuvres that don't suggest any deliberate or unconscious imitation.--Eyeresist 06:14, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Update--I've removed the two weakest Star Trek parallels, as mentioned above.--Eyeresist 04:57, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't know the specifics, or which category this should go in, but I definitely just watched an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation that featured a ship called the U.S.S. Yamato.

Just thought I should mention this; seems like either a trivia thing or Star Trek parallel thing... I don't know. I am not good at with the internets.

-A person

No, the makers said it was a coincidence they names the Enterprise-D's sister ship Yamato, and was nothing to do with Star Blazers! See the article USS Yamato for more... Dave-ros 10:19, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

True, but I added it anyway simply because (a) it is debatable whether this is an inadvertent reference anyway, and perhaps most importantly (b) the USS Yamato was definitely named after the WWII ship that finally became the Yamato in Star Blazers. In any case, it certainly bares mentioning if nothing else then to not have to re-visit the subject time and again. I included the Wikipedia reference to USS Yamato so that the reader can make his own determination. --Lancewes 14:37, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

The Cosmo Cleaner could not "be used to create/replenish life on dead worlds." It would remove poisoning from dead worlds. There are no parallells between the Genesis device, which was a half terraforming/half WMD device and the Cosmo Cleaner, which is a super HEPA filter. ROM 00:30, 03 March 2007 {UTC)

[edit] Sources

Some guy tagged this article for sources, yet neglected to mark or explain. Remove the tag? Evan1975 06:45, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Leave it up for a while. All articles should be sourced. It'd be nice to instead use the fact or cite templates after specific paragraphs. SchmuckyTheCat 15:29, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

OK, well, somebody please mark what the disputed/controversial parts are with those "source needed" tags. Evan1975 08:14, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Yahz, I agree. I wish people who want facts checked would mark which facts they want checked. SchmuckyTheCat 08:29, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Let's up that rating!

If no-one minds (famous last words!), I'd like to edit the synopses of the seasons and movies into something more descriptive (under sub-headings), especially since the movies have no pages of their own. Might also separate out all the Star Blazers attributes into a separate section -- especially since Star Blazers was created after the first two seasons were already made and broadcast in Japan. Then maybe we'll make Featured Article status, eh? (I'm damn well gonna achieve at least one in my time here!) Dave-ros 17:54, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

And I'm spent! If anyone knows more about the 3rd season, the pilot episode footage (which seems to be the stuff at the end of the badly-subtitled DVD version), or the Star Blazers version, please insert it into the appropriate part of the article. Dave-ros 10:57, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Think this article needs a considerable amount of streamlining -- I haven't got time as I don't have a home Internet connection at the moment (I'm writing this at work), but I think we should consolidate stuff into "Cultural impact", particularly how lots of animes have references to Yamato, while many American shows such as Star Trek similarly refer (intentionally or otherwise) to Star Blazers. Dave-ros 14:20, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I've put it off long enough: time for some work to be done! I really don't like all this OR comparing the show to Star Wars, Star Trek and even Crusade, but if people would object to its deletion, I can always set up Comparisons between Space Battleship Yamato and other works until someone comes up with a better idea. Or should I put it all into List of references to Space Battleship Yamato in other works, along with those numerous anime references (which I could at least summarise in Cultural impact)? Dave-ros 17:54, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I've put it all under the second article title listed above (got a couple of cultural references to add myself!). If anyone can think of a better way to handle all that OR comparing the show to American series, now's the time! Dave-ros 18:34, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Tried to get rid of the Trivia section, since most Wikipedia articles are going this way. However, I don't really like the format someone's done for the series and movies plot summary -- we shouldn't really be putting separate links (especially ones in foreign character sets) into headings like this! However, those links could well go in the spiel, in the nihongo template, or in the infoboxes. Dave-ros 17:18, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism as Star Wars ripoff?

This text was recently added to Parallels with Star Wars:

When the series was first shown on American television in 1979 many TV critics and first time viewers saw the show as a Japanese animated rip-off of STAR WARS, but many TV critics later recanted after learing the show predated STAR WARS by three years. George Lucas had not even begun writing a script his creation yet.

It doesn't belong under parallels with Star Warsbecause it is not discussing any specific similarity, where it belongs I am not sure. Secondarily, this may need an external reference, I am not sure it is a verifiable addition.

Thoughts?

Fjbfour 00:19, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

No one argued otherwise, so I took it back out. Fjbfour 23:10, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

This was in an article in Starlog Magazine about Starblazers when it first aired in a 1980 issue I believe.

[edit] Project A-Ko

It was parodied in the first Project A-Ko movie, with its commander being a Captain Harlock parody.

[edit] Jordanian Dub

I think I've seen this version once, I've mostly seen the second arabic version but you're right, it isn't really good effort by the dubbing team. Godaiger

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