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[edit] Expertise
While I'm not an expert on the subject, shouldn't there be some mention to how the Slava started as a way of celebrating the day the family's main ancestor killed his first Turkish soldier during the wars between Serbia and Turkey? - Gorovich
Yes except that's not how it started so - no. Thank you for your input. --estavisti 03:51, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Slava started waaaaay before that ... SSJ 5 19:41, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
The Slava has had a huge revival with the resurgent Serbian nationalism in the years after the fall of the Communist regime in Yugoslavia. Its main claim to fame is that it is a mark of the Serbs only, and that it goes back to the time in the 9th century, when the Serbs accepted Christianity. However the only reference given is to the decidedly nationalistic Rastko website and the article there written by a Serb bishop in 1963. How about some references to scientific historic studies of the main claims? C0gnate 20:07, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Croats
Slava was celebrated in Dalmatia and on the islands by some Catholics up to the early 20th century, among them were some of my relatives. --estavisti 03:59, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
That tells a lot about Dalmatians. Thanks Estavisti. Cheers.24.86.127.209 (talk) 05:37, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
- There are two explanations of that, and one of them will not be very liked... Do you know of some literature which studies slava from scientific point of view? Nikola 11:00, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
- By the way, Russians who celebrate Slava are also likely of Serbian origin (or so is oftenly claimed), descending from Serbs who settled in Slavenoserbia. Nikola 11:03, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Macedonians
Macedonians also celebrate Slava and are Christian Orthodox. It was most likely influenced by the Serbs on the Macedonians, back in the days of Yugoslavia. However, Macedonians still celebrate Slava all over the world.
[edit] Fasting
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- To prepare for the celebration, the family traditionally fasts for a week in order to receive Holy Communion on the day of the slava[verification needed].
Sorry, I didn't hear of that, the fairly comprehensive x-link does not mention "пост" in relation with Slava. The customs may differ across the region, but I'm fairly sure the statement is not true. Please cite the appropriate source. Duja► 14:46, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Typical tradition
The Macedonian Slavs were some time ago considered a part of the Serbian nation, and they were greatly under influence from the Serbs (throughout the whole history); it is no wonder that they accepted the slava (just like the Montenegrins). As for Bulgaria and Greece - well, that's with the [geographically macedonian] areas settled by the Macedonian Slavs. The Orthodox Albanians are, historically, very, very close to Serbs and they have also been under their influence greatly (Serbs and Albanians were great friends before the Ottomans reshaped the Balkan world, oddly enough). The custom became known thus also to the Romas, and a lot of (Serbian origin?) Slavic Muslims in the Balkans. As for the others, where are the sources for that? It seems pretty odd to me... --PaxEquilibrium 01:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
- The article presents a good explanation of the Slava, but it fails to mention that this costum is shared by many non-Orthodox (including Muslms) people in the region, and does not acknowledge hypotheses of a pre-Christian origin. Does anyone with the appropriate references feel like adding this information? (Unfortunately, I do not have literature on the topic.)213.47.123.225 19:15, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Indeed that is correct. There are many Byzantine records of the White Serbs' pagan traditions. --PaxEquilibrium 23:28, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Slava doesn't belong to Greek Orthodox Churches
Slava is a Slavic concept unknown in Romania, Greece and Cyprus. Don't mix this countries with Balkan's Slaves nor Greek Orthodox Churches with Russian Orthodox Churches. 88.192.241.146 (talk) 16:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Why shouldn't we mix the orthodox churches? The Bulgarian Orthodox Church also doesn't have the concept of 'slava' neither, so what? And they are Slavs too. You'd better stop spreading hatred towards Slavs because it will harm only you, and nobody else. Uzdravlje.24.86.127.209 (talk) 05:43, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
