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Contents 1 Welcome! 2 Re: Citations 3 re:Operation Varsity 4 Peer review 4.1 Structure 4.2 GA-Passed 5 RE: Review 6 'Strategic Offensive Operations' 7 re: Thanks 8 Adoption 9 Congratulations on GA Pass!! 10 The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXVI (April 2008) 11 Eric Bols 12 WT:MHSP#Verification 13 Turkish Invasion of Cyprus 14 thanks 15 Normandy Project 16 Thanks! 17 The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXVII (May 2008) 18 GA Units 19 Varsity A-Class 20 Films reversion in Battle of Normandy

[edit] Welcome!

Hey Skinny87, attempted to answer your question on the main talk page - hope I addressed what you were looking for. Don't hesitate to ask me at User talk:Buckshot06 if you've got further queries. Cheers Buckshot06 (talk) 21:26, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Citations

Wikipedia:Footnotes is probably the easiest one to follow. Cheers! Kirill 23:58, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] re:Operation Varsity

Hi, I just wanted to let you know I responded to your question on my talk page. I like to keep everything in one place :) Parsecboy (talk) 13:09, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Peer review

It is a fairly simple process once you get the hang of it. It is all outlined at WP:MHPR. First off you add the |peer-review=yes to the {{MILHIST}} template on the talkpage of the article. Then save the page. It will come up with "request has been made" in red. Click on this and this will take you to a new subpage. Then you create the subpage with === [[Name of article]] === and write your comments on it. Usually something like I want to improve this article. I have expanded XYZ, what do people think needs to be done? I have created the subpage for you at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Peer review/Operation Varsity. Leave your comment there and once you have done it then follow this link and add {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Peer review/Operation Varsity}} and save it. Hope that isn't too complicated. If you need any help, just ask on my talkpage. Woody (talk) 19:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Cheers! Skinny87 (talk) 19:52, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

No problem, I will review it when I get a bit of time. Woody (talk) 19:55, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, Skinny87. I've left some comments for Operation Varsity on the article talk-page. Feel free to contact me for further assistance. Cheers! Cam (Chat) 00:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Structure

Personally, I'd split the background into two sections (both with the --header-- format): "Background", "Offensive Plan", and possibly "German Defenses". That is my primary structure for the pre-battle sections. As for "aftermath", I've taken the liberty of splitting an additional section on "casualties" out of the post-battle section. Traditionally, "Aftermath" would be one section, with "casualties" as a three-header sub-section. Then, I'd create a main-section on the modern-analysis, rather than a sub-section. If all of that sounds confusing, let me know, I'll tweak it for you if you want. Cheers! Cam (Chat) 23:06, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Yep. Looks good. I just split the footnotes into two columns (makes it slightly easier to read). Other than that, I think the article has improved significantly from when I first reviewed. No worries on the photos. As mentioned, it isn't required for B or GA, I just think it might be nice to have some (your call). Pleasure reviewing with you! Cheers! Cam (Chat) 21:45, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA-Passed

Nice job! I've passed your article. ṜέđṃάяķvюĨїήīṣŢ ^{Drop me a line}§ 20:17, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Congrats on getting the article up to GA status. Any plans on continuing up to FA? I'm still waiting on word from the 17th ABN veterans' association, as well as the Airborne Museum in Fayetteville, NC. Hopefully they'll reply soon, and are able to provide some assistance with photographs and so forth. Parsecboy (talk) 21:10, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Review

B-Class is fairly simple. For all requests for assessment, you go to the Military History Project, go to "assessment Department", then scroll down to "Requests for Assessment" near the bottom. If you want, I can do that assessment for you.

GA-Class is a little more complicated, as it is a formal review process. Stub, Start, & B-Class can be assigned by any editor (although it's better to get someone other than yourself to assess, to avoid bias). however, GA needs to be put through the assessment process. On the same Assessment Department page, you will find a table with all of the possible assessments on it. There will be a link to "GA Nominations" on the page. Click on it, and follow the instructions on the page.

After that, you simply have to wait until a reviewer reviews the article under the GA-Class criteria, at which point it will either pass, fail, or be put on hold (in which case you have 7 days to address issues outlined, at which point it either passes or fails). All the best taking Operation Varsity forward. Cheers! Cam (Chat) 22:09, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the congratulatory note. Cheers! Cam (Chat) 05:31, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 'Strategic Offensive Operations'

This is now being discussed on the main MILHIST talk page if you wish to contribute. Cheers Buckshot06 (talk) 06:06, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] re: Thanks

You're very welcome. :) Best of luck at GAN and beyond, María (habla conmigo) 18:43, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Adoption

Hello Skinny

I see that you have been doing quite a lot of work for a 13-day old Wikipedian (assuming your userbox is correct). :-)

I would be happy to "adopt" you, though there are two things of which you should be aware: (1) I've never been involved in a peer review here, so if you are hoping for some coaching on that, I probably will not be much help. (2) I work full-time and am a student, too. I don't have a lot of spare time, but I will do my best to respond to all your questions as quickly as I can. E-mailing me will probably result in the fastest response, though you can certainly leave me messages on my talk page if time is not critical.

Regardless of adoption, I hope you grow to love Wikipedia as much as I do. It looks like you are off to a good start! Willscrlt (Talk) 10:16, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

In that case, consider yourself adopted! Congratulations. :-) You may contact me on my talk page or by e-mail, depending on the urgency of your request. So, do you have any burning questions or concerns right now? --Willscrlt (Talk) 21:31, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey man. Just a note on the PR stuff. If you need assistance with Peer-Reviews, you can always contact me. I've done a lot of that stuff (gotten an award for it actually) with Peer Review, so you've got all of your bases covered. Congrats on your adoption. Cheers! Cam (Chat) 05:35, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi again. I just wanted you to know that I hadn't forgotten you. If you ever have any questions or whatever, just leave me a message or an e-mail. You seem to be doing a great job so far. :-) --Willscrlt (Talk) 13:19, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations on GA Pass!!

Congratulations on Operation Varsity achieving Good-Article Status. As a result of your extraordinarily hard work over the last little bit on the article, you get a few things.

		The Original Barnstar
		For your spectacular work in making Operation Varsity a GA-Class Article, I am incredibly pleased to award you this barnstar. Cheers! Cam (Chat) 00:46, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXVI (April 2008)

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[edit] Eric Bols

Good work on this one. Is there anything in your sources about why he didn't command a brigade? Might illustrate a bit more his nervousness at being offered command of 6th Airborne Division. Cheers Buckshot06 (talk) 05:32, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

17th Airborne: sorry I didn't get to this, but I see it's already been done. The central place for such requests, if you're looking for a wider audience, is WP:MHA#REQ. On the 13th Airborne, could you also now remove the reference sources you haven't used? Kind regards Buckshot06 (talk) 22:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WT:MHSP#Verification

Would you mind taking a look at the plan laid out at WT:MHSP and considering joining us? Kind regards Buckshot06(prof) 23:47, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Turkish Invasion of Cyprus

Dear Skinny,

I'd appreciate your involvement in this. The intro I wrote, which I believe is an NPOV summary to the article, is being replaced with what I consider another Cyprus dispute related diatribe. In addition, 3meander and another Greek editor have taken to referring to me as a "vandal" for trying to revert. Please take a look if you can. --A.Garnet (talk) 12:02, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] thanks

thanks for the barnstar. They're always a serious morale-booster! Cheers! Cam (Chat) 00:28, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

No Probs. I took a look, and I hope I answered your questions. Cheers! Cam (Chat) 22:18, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For knocking out three GAs in a month's time, keep up the good work! Parsecboy (talk) 19:56, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Normandy Project

Hey, congrats on the barnstar.

Now, onto business. You mentioned that you'd be willing to help with Operation Tonga in relation to the Normandy Campaign. I've got a small sub-page up where we can keep track of the ratings on all the articles. It is located here. Cheers! Cam (Chat) 21:24, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey, took a look at the image (Nice picture!). just as a formatting rule, you don't need to put the |thumb|right into infobox images. You just need to put the image link & the pixel-size (which I also trimmed down to 250). Hope that helps. Cheers! Cam (Chat) 22:44, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey man, concerning 11th Airborne Division. When you need it GA-Reviewed, feel free to give me a shout. Cheers! Cam (Chat) 01:39, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

		Military history service award
		By order of the coordinators, for your good work tagging and assessing military history articles in Tag & Assess 2008, I hereby award you this Military history WikiProject Service Award. --ROGER DAVIES talk 05:45, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXVII (May 2008)

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[edit] GA Units

Hello, I happened to notice that you've been doing work on several articles related to American military units. That has been my area of expertise during my time here on Wikipedia, as well. I also am one of the GA Nomination reviewers who looks over GA work. I just thought I'd let you know that I'd be willing to help out if you needed anything, as I have had a few sucessful GAs for US Military units, as well. -Ed!^(talk)_{(Hall of Fame)} 19:34, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Varsity A-Class

Ping! Cheers! Cam (Chat) 20:45, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Ping! Cheers! Cam (Chat) 21:39, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

From first glance at the 11th Airborne Division, there's just a few MoS things (notably date & footnote format) that need fixing. I've started on the footnotes (although it might take me a while), & I might do any copyediting that pops up. Cheers! Cam (Chat) 22:31, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I suffer from the same problem: I can't copyedit my own stuff as well as I can someone else's. I'll keep working on that periodically over the next day or so (I'm juggling Battle of Verrières Ridge's FAC at the same time, so I'm severely multitasking). Cheers! Cam (Chat) 22:53, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

No biggy, at this stage its mostly MoS stuff & extremely minor copyediting (having undergone 5 copyedits in the last 4 months), so I'll have plenty of time to work on the 11th AbD. Cheers! Cam (Chat) 22:58, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I did a bit of MoS work on Varsity. When you're done this A-Class Review, I'd request a Level 4 & 5 copyedit from the Logistics Department before going for FA, which will clear up any remaining MoS & prose difficulties. Cheers! Cam (Chat) 04:40, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

That should do it. I've gone through & replaced all of the "-" with "–", which is proper MoS formatting for FA-Class Articles. I'll take another look for MoS stuff later (One I finish this rewrite of The Moro River Campaign, which should take about 45 minutes). Looks like Op. Vars. is about to pass A-Class. If you need me, I'll be on–hand to deal with any issues you need fixed afterwards. Cheers! Cam (Chat) 03:50, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Films reversion in Battle of Normandy

Is this the place I am suppose to pose the question of why you reverted the addition to Films section of the Battle of Normandy I made? The movie 'The Longest Day' would seem to me to be every bit as relevant to the topic as the movie 'Saving Private Ryan'. Is that it was made 40 years ago and enjoyed the benefit of viewing both sides of the conflict, with content provided by individuals involved in both offensive and defensive actions somehow less relevant than the feel-good movie made by Mr Hanks?

Tatoosh (talk) 09:01, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Indeed it is, and I personally love it, but trivia/dramatization sections are frowned upon in Wikipedia articles, so I've deleted it. Personally I think it just looks better without trivia sections - makes articles look more academic, plus in most articles the trivia is awful or badly written. I hope that's okay with you. If bot, we can certainly debate it in more detail. Skinny87 (talk) 09:10, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I would not debate it if you had removed the other movies as well. But if you are going to allow them to stand, there is no reason not to allow the film I added to continue there, at least that I perceive. I can understand your position about the trivia aspect, although I don't agree with it personally. But it seems odd to remove one film and allow others to remain. Tatoosh (talk) 09:34, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Ah, there may be a misunderstanding. I didn't remove The Longest Day from the trivia section. I just deleted the entire trivia section. Skinny87 (talk) 09:44, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

My apology then. If you removed the entire section, not simply my addition, I can only disagree with your view, but not your actions. I found only my entry removed (as it still is) and thought, seeing your moniker listed in the history page, that it was your action. Apparently someone else must have removed it. There is a note specifying the Dramatizations should be for the whole operation, not simply the initial assault. Of course the page that concerns itself only with the initial landings doesn't have a dramatizations section. I find it sad that excellent sources of information and viewpoints, both current and historical, are precluded from inclusion based on the media they are presented in (or on). But documentation of history has its trends and fads just like everything else. Sorry, I 'IP'd' in twice, thinking I was signed in already, allow me to sign this entry correctly: Tatoosh (talk) 14:08, 12 June 2008 (UTC)