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[edit] Another book
The book "Frost of Heaven" by Jonius Podrug follows the central characters as they search for the secret valley of Shambala, hidden somewhere in the Himalayas, and is worth adding to the list. You can read a plot synopsis from Publisher Weekly at Amazon, using the following link: http://www.amazon.com/Frost-Heaven-Junius-Podrug/dp/0812555058.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.236.20.43 (talk) 23:41, 28 February 2007 (UTC). Is this article still consired a stub? Seems pretty complete to me.
- I agree. Removing stubs.
[edit] Recent Edits
I removed much of the recent edits. The Kalachakra article deals with the origins of that tradition. Sylvain1972 19:30, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Starting new page
I'd like help from all at this page because the Shambala kingdom is based upon the Kalachakra and at Kalachakra, backstabbing and wonton vandalism is the norm. I need people to watch my back when I'm out cold and can vouch for my safety against cowardly attacks from in back. Come on over to New Kalachakra and let's roll. I need to send a message to the vandals that the game is over now.Geir Smith 17:26, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
- You are the vandal Geir. You have no idea how wikipedia works. You label changes minor edits that are not minor at all. You write long passages in broken English that are incomprehensible to anyone but yourself. You have been forthright about your intention to use wikipedia as a venue for publishing original research, regardless of the fact that that is expressly forbidden. Your decision to start an article called "New Kalachakra," which you will presumably treat as an avenue to publish whatever you want, is a perfect example of your total disregard for the conventions of wikipedia. Sylvain1972 19:38, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Funny stuff
This stuff is awfully sketchy and looks like it's either fiction or gross exaggeration:
Beginning in the 1960s, various occult writers have sought to explain the evil of Nazism by suggesting Adolf Hitler tapped into the malevolent forces of Shambhala when he sent Ahnenerbe researchers to Tibet to measure Tibetan skulls as part of his master race justifications. In Neo-Nazi mysticism, Shambhala is sometimes supposed to be the place to which Hitler fled after the fall of the Third Reich. Hitler was known to have an interest in the myth of Shambhala and in "eastern mysticism" generally, from which he appropriated the swastika. It is also believed that Josef Stalin organized an expedition to find Shambhala.
If this is merely stated as the opinion of "various occult writers", then it should really be stated who they are. I'm deleting until some verification is provided. RandomCritic 05:30, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
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- The following articles discuss some such notions about Shambhala: http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/archives/advanced/kalachakra/shambhala/nazi_connection_shambhala_tibet.html http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/archives/advanced/kalachakra/shambhala/mistaken_foreign_myths_shambhala.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.17.60.126 (talk) 18:05, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Another film
There's a recent sci-fi film starring Jude Law that ventures into Shambhala. The actual title escapes me at the moment, but it's worth adding to the humble list already there.
The movie is "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow", http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0346156/.
[edit] kulika or kalkin
The name for the king of Shambhala (but Sambhala in Sanskrit manuscripts!) "kulika" has unfortunately gained currency. This is in fact a reconstruction from Tibetan Rigs-ldan, as far as I know going all the way back to Csoma de Koros and then reinforced by Roerich's translation of the Blue Annals. In fact, the form which appears in Sanskrit is Kalkin, or the Nominative Kalkī (long i) - cf. the Calcutta edition of the Kālacakratantra or its commentary, the Vimalaprabhā (so far only in a single edition, from Sarnath). I think this should be changed.
[edit] Shambhala trivia
I suggest this section either be removed altogether - or given a separate heading which could be accessed through the Shambhala disambiguation page. I would appreciate any comments or other suggestions readers may have. Thanks, John Hill (talk) 11:09, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- I'd be worried about a resulting creation/deletion cycle for a trivia page. Once spun out it would have a higher chance of deletion then recreation, ad nausium, without really improving the quality of it... My suggestion would be a simple search for notability on each item and add citations. But I don't mean notability of the source content that references Shambhala, I mean notability of the item's shambhala connection and citations that specifically talk about shambhala in reference to that item. If it meets that litmus test then keep it, otherwise pitch it. And rewrite the result in prose with hidden html comments discouraging people from adding to it unless they have similar notable citations. Thoughts? - Owlmonkey (talk) 19:13, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- OK, I'm ready to nuke the whole section. Is there anything in particular worth saving? The only comment in that section I think is worth moving into the article is a discussion between Shambhala and Shangri La and what their suspected relationship and why. It might be possible to move tidbits to other articles, when the trivia item has an article already. For example, the Apache code name could be moved to that article and that article could link back here. We could then slowly move things out line by line as well so it's not a shock for casual readers when it starts dissolving. - Owlmonkey (talk) 19:59, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
You know, one more thing that bothers me about the trivia section is that the trivia tends to end up on the article where it is least relevant. For example, the Lost Horizon mention is currently here but there is no mention of shambhala at all on the current Lost Horizon article. Why is it more relevant and notable here than to the book, which claims to have been inspired by and based on the myths described on this article? It's the same with The Shadow (fictional character), Prometheus (comics), Doctor Strange doesn't even have an article yet, nor 2000 AD (comic), etc. They're mentioned here but shambhala is not mentioned on those articles. It seems if these really were notable relationships between this subject and those then at least some reference to shambhala would exist on those articles first. But instead we see the trivial mention on the article that it probably is the least relevant to. thank you all, i needed to complain about that for a second. - Owlmonkey (talk) 02:45, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
