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I believe that "Anko Azato" is incorrect. In Karate-dō: My Way of Life by Gichin Funakoshi, Funakoshi gives Azato's first name as "Yasutsune" (page 3). Later, page 16, he claims that both Itosu and Azato have the same first names, "Yasutsune".
JCrickmer 11:29, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
It can be a little confusing here. Both Itosu and Azato do have the same first name, Anko. Anko (安恒) is the “on” (Chinese) pronunciation of Yasutsune (Japanese pronunciation of those same Chinese characters). They were often used interchangeably. If you do not know that it makes you think Funakoshi did not really know who he was talking about. ron Southwick 01:06, 7 March 2006 (UTC) \
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[edit] Linkfarm
The article has way to many external links - I don't know enough about the subject to delete them selectively. Most seem like advertisement. I'll do my best in a couple of days if no one beats me to it.Peter Rehse 00:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
This article clearly suffers from severe linkfarmitis.. Rather than me, who has limited familiarity with Shorin-ryu, going through and deleting ones that look like they're just promotional links to schools as opposed to relevant references about the system itself, can someone who is more familiar go through and take care of it? If no one does in the next few days (I'll keep an eye on my watchlist), I'll do it myself, at least culling the obvious ones. - Erik Harris 19:48, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I removed them all with the hope that the important ones will find their way back. Frankly not one of the ones I saw fit the bill.Peter Rehse 01:16, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Shorin-ryu karate
No one seems to realize that Shorin-ryu is a style of karate. It is another way of referring to Shuri-te since this is where it was said to have developed. The styles from Naha (Naha-te) are called Shorei-ryu. Tomari-te, I believe, was based on Shorin-ryu with influences from Shorei-ryu. This should be mentioned in the article so it is not seen as being entirely different from karate. (Unattributed entry from 202.133.104.38)
- The second sentence of the article begins with "Shorin-ryu is widely considered to be one of the two major modern styles of Okinawan Karate" (emphasis added), which pretty clearly specifies that it's a karate system (I'll go ahead and fix the capitalization). -Erik Harris 18:15, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
you guys crack me up. the very top of the article gives you the clue. (小林流 松林流, 少林流), These are actually three different words in Japanese, not the same word. in English, it like there are three different words to, too and two. all with different meanings. (小林流 松林流 少林流) all have different meanings. look up the origin of the three styles, and why the founders choice to call them 小林流, (松林流, or 少林流. that should give you some insight (maybe)
BTW, even if you ignore the rest of this, the "(小林流 (松林流, 少林流), Shōrin-ryū?)" should be corrected to read, "(小林流, 松林流, and 少林流), Shōrin-ryū?)" (a couple of typos)
The proper okinawan pronuciation, for the three different words are shorinryu, matsubashiryu, and shorinryu. the people with a little japanese language skills (and many mainland japanese) will immediately point out, the the on reading of matsubashiryu is shorinryu. they are correct, except this is an exception to the rule (as there are many in Japanese) and the correct pronuciation is matsubayashiryu. there is no linkage between matusbayashiryu and shorinryu except they are both okinawan and anko itosu taught both founders. the term shorinryu (and of the three (小林流 (松林流 少林流)) was never NEVER used to describe karate prior to Chibana calling his school/style shorinryu to distinguish it from all other styles of karate that were being changed from the original sui-te as taught by matsmura. Sokon Matsumura NEVER called his karate neither 林流, 松林流, nor 少林流.
A little side note, kobayashi was never, and still never used to describe shorinryu in okinawa (except by nagazato's american students). It is common practice when Spelling the word, to use the kun reading for understanding, but not to "mispronounce" the word and call it kobayashi.
Shorinryu is not and never has been a style of karate incorporating the three differnet styles of (小林流 松林流 少林流) into one style, except by non-okinawans.
if you have ever practiced with people from okinawa and the different styles of 小林流 松林流 少林流, you will quickly figure out that these are not branches of the same style, but three different styles. americans, not reading japanese are infinately confused by the three different words wtih the same pronuciation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.12.224.58 (talk) 15:03, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Deep stances
The article states that, "Okinawan traditionalists often claim that deep, wide stances are a development of Japanese-styled karate." Who makes this claim, and are the people who make this claim notable or authoritative? Deep, wide stances are common in traditional Chinese martial arts (for a variety of reasons, "show" not traditionally being one of them). Given that traditional Okinawan martial arts primarily evolved out of Southern Chinese arts, it doesn't make logical sense to claim that the deep, wide stances are a development of the Japanese karate systems. I've added a note requesting citation on this claim, since it seems a bit "fishy." -Erik Harris 14:31, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
- However, the Shorin Ryu Karate system does employ the use of low deep stances such as the *iron horse stance*. However i do agree that your claim of it being fishy has merit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.183.161.98 (talk • contribs)
Goju-Ryu is Naha-te! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jman1000 (talk • contribs)
[edit] Citations
I just deleted a recently-added citation consisting only of "(M. Gallardo March 1997)" - this may well be citing a valid source of information, but it doesn't provide enough information for a reader to evaluate it. Who is M. Gallardo? In what publication did he or she say that in March 1997? To the anonymous user who posted this citation - if you have a valid citation, please put it back, with complete information, preferably in <ref>reference</ref> tags. —Erik Harris 12:31, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Hakusuru kata.
The article's listing of kata does not include the Matsumura white crane kata "hakusuru"(sp)
The kata is the hallmark of the Matsumura Seito branch of Shorin-ryu and has actually been filmed being performed by the late Hohan Soken (aka Hoken Soken). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 214.13.47.111 (talk) 00:20, 28 February 2007 (UTC).
[edit] iha dojo's relationship to?
http://ihadojo.com/Origins/index.htm ihadojo.com
Hi, I'm wondering how this style relates to this style. If you can help me, please add the appropriate information to this article and then comment on my talk page. Thanks Tkjazzer 23:28, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Iha is a student of Miyahira, who was Chibana's student. Iha practices Shorin-ryu Shido-kan, and is the head of the Beikoku (USA) Shido-kan association. I do not believe Iha should be mentioned in this article, as he is several teachers removed from the origin of Shorin-ryu (Itosu->Chibana->Miyahira->Iha). That is why the Kobayashi Shorin-ryu and Shorin-ryu Shido-kan articles exist. If anything, Chibana and Miyahira should be more prominently mentioned. Miyahira is currently the president of the Shorin-ryu association. --Scott Alter 00:29, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] incorporate Shorin-ryu_Shido-kan in to main martial arts articles
Please help me incorporate this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorin-ryu_Shido-kan in to the other main martial arts articles. Tkjazzer 23:36, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
As per my comment above about Iha's relationship (and Miyahira's), I firmly believe this should remain a separate article. It mentions a distinct style of Kobayashi Shorin-ryu. The history mentioned on the ihadojo.com website above is the history of Shorin-ryu Shido-kan (with the exception of mentions to Gusakuma, who was Iha's first teacher and a student of Itosu). Furthermore, other Kobayashi Ryu styles should be added as their own articles, including Shorinkan and Nagazato. I will expand upon the Shido-kan article in the upcoming days to better reflect its history, and possibly add stubs for Shorinkan. --Scott Alter 00:29, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
