Talk:Self-sacrifice in Jewish law

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Dear Jon513:

I choose, to strongly disagree with your redirecting Self-sacrifice under Jewish law to Pikuach nefesh for the following reasons;

Firstly, contrary to your claim that the Pikuach nefesh article contains all info on the issue this is completely wrong, for 95% of the article isn’t at all dealt with, except for mentioning the three sins briefly, (and this to, with vary confusing language for the typical – non Jewish – reader).

Secondly, the article Pikuach nefesh is not at all well written. It’s confusing, non-orderly, and repeats some facts numerous times, Etc.

Therefore, except and until if you find a way to incorporate ALL info from Self-sacrifice under Jewish law into Pikuach nefesh (or vice versa, as far as I’m concerned) I’ve reverted your redirect to its former stand.

P.S. I’ll also try to work on merging the pages to satisfy your concern.

With great sincerity:

Bloger 19:56, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

As it stands now the page is unintelligible to a reader not already familiar with the topic and it is worthwhile to completely rewrite it from scratch. It unnecessarily introduces confusing terms (mesirat nefesh, yehareg ve'al ya'avor , Chillul Hashem, Kiddush Hashem) some of which are not explained at all. It confuses the term mesirat nefesh citing both a literal meaning (dieing for the faith) and a figurative one (trying really hard). Also it misses many of the most important aspect of the law (The biblical references (Deut. 6:5), (Leviticus 22:32); a person is not punishable for sins committed under duress even if it was still forbidden). I started rewriting it and found that the only way to present it was in context of Pikuach nefesh. This is the exception to the general rule, if you don't explain the rule the exception makes no sense. After a few tries I gave up tring to rewrite and decided a redirect would make more sense. Jon513 20:10, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Dear Jon513:

I’ve redone it, what do you think?

Bloger 01:08, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

much better. Jon513 14:36, 9 August 2007 (UTC)