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[edit] Book

Did he write two different books, or one which has alternative titles? I have a copy of Revolutionary in Ireland, published 1975 by Gordon Cremonesi, ISBN 0-86033-031-1. The article lists Memoirs of a Revolutionary, same publisher and date. I assume they're the same book and added the second title on that basis but I may be wrong.86.153.187.1 12:05, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ...(secretly) baptised a Catholic?....

I've just noticed that both this article and the Roger Casement article claim that both of these men had Protestant parents but were secretly baptised as Catholics. The Mac Stiofáin article says: 'Mac Stíofáin (who was baptized a Roman Catholic, despite the fact that neither of his parents was Catholic)'. The Casement article says that his mother 'had him baptized secretly as a Roman Catholic, but died when he was a baby.' These seem very suspicious claims. Now, why would anybody be "secretly" baptised Catholic especially when, in Mac Stiofáin's case, both parents were Protestant? If they felt so strongly about it, why didn't they become Catholic? Is the real link that both were British, the first British born the second British by profession, who betrayed their state's policies a more likely explanation for this story? The current story lends itself to the idea that "they weren't fully British though because they were really Catholic" rather than to the idea that they were British who disagreed with British actions concerning Ireland, a rational interpretation which is a much more powerful indictment of those actions. 193.1.172.166 20:24, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it seems to sanctify them post-facto, and so what to most of us now. Quite a few republicans did convert in 1900-1920, like Maude Gonne and the Giffard sisters. Let's hope that God was convinced in a very meaningful way by their sincerity... Stevenson was probably the last? A need to fit in, being an obvious suspect as a spy.Red Hurley 13:57, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Move

The recent move by User:Jtdirl from Seán Mac Stíofáin to Seán MacStíofáin was wrong in my opinion. Of course, we don't put a space between the Mac and rest of the surname in English, but this surname happends to be an Irish-language one. The Irish MoS is very clear about this. --Damac 10:42, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

You are correct on this, Damac. El Gringo 23:58, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the title of the article should be changed back to Seán Mac Stíofáin and can't fathom why it was ever changed to Seán MacStíofáin. -- HouseOfScandal 20:40, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dubious paragraph

I'm not disputing that an article saying something along these lines may have appeared in the Sunday Times, but the claims are garbled. Who does "dissident republicans" refer to in the context of 1969 - early 70s, this term is usually used to refer to people who split from the Provos in the 1990s. In context this sounds like he was accused of informing on the Official IRA/Stickies. Please clarify. PatGallacher 09:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kathryn Johnston

The wife of Sunday Times Ireland edition editor, she is the daughter of Dr. Roy H. W. Johnston, formerly the IRA Director of Education (appointed by Cathal Goulding in the late sixties) [1] and a member of the IRA Army Council (subsequently, the Marxist Offical IRA Army Council). During routine questioning in the Saville Inquiry, she admitted to being a member of the Workers Party from 1976-77 to the mid-eighties [2].

Barra McGrory, representing Mr McGuinness, accused Ms Johnston of political bias against his client. He said the Workers' Party would have been seen as vehemently opposed to Sinn Fein, while the Official and Provisional IRA had been involved in a bloody feud in 1977. He said Ms Johnston had supplied a number of accounts of what happened at the bookmaker's shop.

Thus allegations of informing (of Seán Mac Stiofáin by Liam Clarke, ascribed to a dead policeman) ought to be considered suspect and probably politically-motivated to discredit a long-term foe.

[edit] Former Colleague

Under the subject "Joins IRA," perhaps the quote from a "former colleague" should be more explicitly attributed? "A former colleague" is suspiciously vague; if it is possible to locate the source, i think his/her name should be given. LicenseAppliedFor (talk) 22:44, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


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