Talk:Sarma (food)
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[edit] Kohlrollen
They are also a well known in German Cuisine where they are known as Kohlrollen. Is it spelled Kohlrouladen? --buzlink 17:18, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
The sentence about the German sarma sits quite awkwardly at the bottom of the article. Unfortunately I have no knowledge about this, so I wasn't bold enough to move it in the introductory section during my recent copyedit. Other takers? --Gutza T T+ 02:56, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- Well, it was certainly misplaced, so I rephrased it and moved. I also renamed the last section from the rather pompous "Cultural significance" to "Serving"merryXIV 16:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Sarmatian dish
Well this complete article is rubbish, the name Sarma comes from a place called Sarma and was adapted by Turks not oposite. 1. It´s made of pork (show me one muslim eating pork) 2. The Place Sarma is the ancient capital of the Alani, who brought this dish to Europe, which makes it a Sarmatian dish 3. The dish is much older that the first time Turk was spelled. Now please somebody correct this article unless there´s only Turks reading Wiki... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.179.0.50 (talk) 11:01, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- Do you have reliable sources that can be cited for this claim? The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. --Lambiam 19:27, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Cabbage was also unknown to the Arab/Ottoman World until they came in contact with it in the Balkans. Cabbage spread from Western Europe. Just check history of Cabbage. Sarma is almost the same what ancient Greeks made with Wine-leafs...so no Turks were neccessary to "invent" this. It´s just like Spaghetti, the Chinese invented it but we know it by the Italian name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.179.12.137 (talk) 17:38, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
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- According to our Cabbage article: The cabbage is derived from a leafy wild mustard plant, native to the Mediterranean region. It was known to the ancient Greeks and Romans; Cato the Elder praised this vegetable for its medicinal properties, declaring that "it is first of all the vegetables. It was a common vegetable in Anatolia when the Turks came, and in fact in all former parts of the Roman Empire where the vegetable would grow, which is almost anywhere. The information about cabbage spreading from Western Europe, and being unknown to "the Arab/Ottoman World" (really two worlds apart) until "they" (surely not the Arabs) came in contact with it in the Balkans, is totally bogus; do not trust the source claiming that.
- Nowhere does the article claim, or even suggest, that sarma is a Turkish "invention", but only that the name has a Turkish origin.
- Cooked pasta-like dough dishes like noodles and gnocchi have almost certainly been invented several times independently, but as you can read in the article on Spaghetti, working pasta into thin long forms is actually an Arab innovation.
- This discussion is pointless and will remain fruitless unless you can cite reliable sources for your claims.
- --Lambiam 21:55, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] National dish
I think that citing the related meal as a country's national dish is the new way of standing out in the article. I don't think it's really necessary and worth mentioning in the article. Furthermore, as we can guess, there can be numerous countries considering the related meal as their national dish. Shall we keep another long list of national dishes in the article? Thanks. --Chapultepec (talk) 02:12, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
- An exception might be made if someone can show (with sources) that sarma is considered the national dish par excellence of some country, like fondue for Switzerland and haggis for Scotland. AFAIK sarma is just one of many popular dishes in Serbian cuisine.
That's reasonable, I agree with you. Not only in this article, but in general, if a meal is indeed a "par excellence" of a country, that is worth mentioning, of course along with its references. --Chapultepec (talk) 17:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
