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Contents 1 Also in Avestan 2 Mandarin 3 Internal Sandhi 4 Is sandhi only for phonetics changes? 5 Sandhi vs. morphophonemics 6 is there really a sandhi in french ?

[edit] Also in Avestan

Avestan[1] uses this term explicitly as well, though I am pretty sure this is from a Gujarati influence Khirad 11:17, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mandarin

However, this is difficult to say, so the tone on nǐ mutates into ní. This is incorrect, the sound does change, but it only changes into a half third tone, not into a full 2nd tone.

[edit] Internal Sandhi

I think that the example of internal sandhi is incorrect:

• Internal sandhi features the alteration of sounds within words at morpheme boundaries, as in sympathy (syn- + pathy).

Wouldn't the "syn" change to "sym" simply because of assimilation to the p because it is much easier to say mp than np? Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 19:03, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I think assimilation is a form of Sandhi. --Krsont 18:34, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually the proper name of this article should be "assimilation". That's what it's called in linguistics. The term "sandhi" is probably just used by Sanskrit afficionados, and so belongs solely on sa.wikipedia.org -- bkhl 17:48, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Assimilation and sandhi are two different things, though assimilation can be a kind of sandhi. If assimilation doesn't happen at a word or morpheme boundary, it isn't sandhi. Synchronically, in that case, you'd be hard pressed to identify it as assimilation if there was no morpheme boundary, but there are plenty of historical assimilations that aren't sandhi (e.g. Latin septem > Italian sette "seven"). And sandhi needn't be assimilation, either; it can be dissimilation, metathesis, lenition, fortition, etc. as well. —Angr 10:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely right. And furthermore, the details of what happens phonetically at word boundaries can be quite different from what happens elsewhere. As in Sanskrit, final *-as [əs] before a word beginning with a nasal first assimilates to *-az [əz] and then loses the *z with compensatory lengthening of the preceding [ə] (which falls together with the outcomes of smoothened diphthongs), thus aśvo mama "my horse"; but no such thing happens medially, as in asmi [əsmi] "I am". Alsihler 15:58, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is sandhi only for phonetics changes?

If not what is the name for the change of the writing of the letters at the beginning and end of the world. Is that a phenomena of easying writing like the given sandhi example whow easing of prononciation. I see a potential parallel here. Spayrard 22:13, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sandhi vs. morphophonemics

Future augmentations to this article need to explain this. Hurmata 03:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] is there really a sandhi in french ?

French liaison is described as an external sandhi but lack the regularity it should have in such a case... seeing it as a sandhi would also means it is a phonetical phenomenon, but when reading the page "liaison" it is obvious that it is rather an historical process. I believe that the definition of sandhi is the modification of a sound and could not normaly produce the adding of a new sound (or suppressing of it as it is correctly said). excuse my english. stefjourdan@caramail.com (motunono in french wikipedia...)

Yes, that is also what I have read. I need a source to convince me that an apple is an example of sandhi. Were English to have *āpple for a apple, that would be sandhi according to the sources I read. Terminology differs over time and between disciplines, so I'd not be surprised to hear a different POV, though. Alastair Haines (talk) 13:22, 8 May 2008 (UTC)