Talk:Salvatore Giuliano

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I'm surprised this article isn't fuller; Giuliano is an important figure in Sicilian history. I'm going to try to fill it out a bit. Incidentally I believe Pisciotta was Giuliano's cousin. --61.68.103.208 12:20, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Pisciotta 2 Thompson beretta? 3 Monument? A national hero? 4 Thorough Edit

[edit] Pisciotta

Pisciotta was not Giuliano's cousin. Professor Chandler's book puts this to rest. I'll be doing some work on the article based on this book "King of the Mountain" soon. --Tapered 22:06, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thompson beretta?

There's no reference or documentation for the forensic evidence from the Portella della Ginestra massacre. The language, "9 mm Thompson beretta" is suspect. Thompson is a type of American submachine gun never manufactured outside the US to the best of my knowledge. Beretta is the family and brand name of an Italian arms manufacturer. If there is an English translation of any recently discovered forensic evidence, could someone please post a link? If untranslated, could someone please translate and post? Thanks! --Tapered 20:52, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree the article is hopelessly short in references. The historian Giuseppe Casarrubea (see his blog in Italian [1]) talks about "il mitra corto Thompson" without mentioning "beretta". I am not a weapon expert, but it seems you are right. By the way, I would not only take Chandlers's book as a reference, but have a look at 'Storia segreta della Sicilia: Dallo sbarco alleato a Portella della Ginestra' (The secret history of Sicily: From the allies' landing to Portella della Ginestraof) by Casarrubea as well. Not translated (yet), I am afraid (from a flyer of the publisher: "Following scrupulous study of the papers declassified by Bill Clinton in 2000 at the National Archive and Records Administration (Maryland), together with other Italian secret service documents, never systematically analysed before, Giuseppe Casarrubea reconstructs the map of subversion in Italy in the period featuring the constitution of national unity governments and of paramilitary groups, after April 25th 1945 - the date of Italy’s liberation. In doing so he turns the spotlight on the 1947 massacre of a group of civilians in Portella della Ginestra in Sicily." [2]) He comes up with the theory that the Portella della Ginestra massacre was an attack by clandestine anti-communist networks (a kind of forerunners of the Gladio network), often composed of former fascist militia's. - Mafia Expert 21:25, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I put the passage in invisible, before seeing your comment. If you do have the book, could you add the reference with chapter & page? Even better if you have some time: quoting some parts of it. Cheers! Tazmaniacs 14:31, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Monument? A national hero?

Why do you write that there is a monument dedicated to Salvatore Giuliano in MonteLepre, where he was born? There is no monumenti, how could we build a monument dedicated to someone who was nothing more than a killer? And it is not true that Salvatore Giuliano was like Robin Hood, except for some poor and ignorant people. For the most italians he was nothing more than an assassin!!! But, I repeat, the most important thing is that there is not any monument!!! Regards!!!

It has been removed, unless someone can provide relevant sources to prove there is monument. Thanks for your message. - Mafia Expert 20:42, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Some people view Giuliano as a hero, others don't. Note, the poster of this section seems to be from Lombardy, Northern Italy and uses the word "italians" when the topic of this article is a Sicilian seperatist. So they are perhaps bias. Anyway, there is a plaque dedicated to Giuliano for sure as can be clearly seen in this video, though I'm not sure if you could call that a real "monument"... you'd have to ask people in Montelepre if there is any further kind of "monument". - Animagentile (talk) 02:39, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

There is indeed a small monument to the MIS, and by obvious inference to its leader in the area Giuliano, in Montelepre. It was erected in 1980, dedicated by Giuliano's sister. There's a photo in Prof Jaynes Chandler's book. As best I can remember, this same book documents support for Giuliano throughout Italy. He was well-known throughout Europe and written up by a Greek/Swedish journalist, Maria Cyliakus--also well documented by Jaynes Chandler. Tapered (talk) 00:40, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thorough Edit

I'm planning to give the article a very thorough going over. I plan to use Professor Jaynes Chandler's book as my guidepost. I have read the book several times over the years, and was once exhaustively familiar with it. I regard the book as close to brilliant, and its gentle, balanced concluding chapters represent historical analysis close to its NPOV best.

Many past edits have been positive and NPOV. These will be respected and incorporated.

Without rancor, I intend to remove the POV additions of SugnuSicilianu. I'm sympathetic to the sentiments, but they're quite POV. I suspect that Francesco Rosi would approve of them. I'd like to suggest to Sugnu that a separate article on the socio-economic situation of Sicily incorporating Sugnu's interpretation and others, with reference to Giuliano, would be a more appropriate venue.

Comments, please!

Tapered (talk) 00:56, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

I hope you will consider more sources. I added some paragraphs from the book Separatism, the Allies and the Mafia: The Struggle for Sicilian Independence, 1943-1948 by Monte S. Finkelstein, published in 1998. Very thorough research about the Sicilian independence movement, not just about Giuliano. But it puts Giuliano in the proper context. Good luck with the edit. - Mafia Expert (talk) 20:53, 27 March 2008 (UTC)