Talk:Sager orphans

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Sager orphans article.
Please sign and date your posts by typing four tildes (~~~~). Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic. New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Ask questions, get answers. This is not a forum for general discussion about the article's subject.	Be polite Assume good faith No personal attacks Be welcoming	Article policies No original research Neutral point of view Verifiability

	Ohio Portal Sager orphans is part of WikiProject Ohio, which collaborates on Ohio-related subjects on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to current discussions.
Start	This article has been rated as Start-class on the quality scale.
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the importance scale.
Please rate this article, and then leave comments here to explain the ratings and/or to identify the strengths and weaknesses of the article.
Suggested article edit guidelines: To help us prioritise our workload, and in readiness for Wikipedia:1.0, we need to assess our articles for Quality. If this article is Unassessed, please assess it. See the Article Classification for instructions. If you disagree with a rating, you can change it or discuss it at Article Classification. After assessing this article's quality, please make sure it to add it to the Lists at Article Classification, following the grading scheme detailed there.

	Oregon Portal This page is part of WikiProject Oregon, a WikiProject dedicated to articles related to the U.S. state of Oregon. To participate: join (or just read up) at the project page, or contribute to the project discussion.
PSU stuff & Applegate Trail are the current Collaborations of the week.
Start	This page is rated as start-Class on the quality scale.
Low	This article is rated as Low-importance on the importance scale.

[edit] Cleanup

Yes, for the record this was rewritten/translated by a native German speaker--he's from Austria anyway :). Katr67 13:36, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I became more convinced of that after seeing the use of commas and some of the phrases literally translated from the obscure tenses. The first orienting clue was the German-specific spelling of Laramie as Laremie. Funny how one notices those things when traveling.... —EncMstr 17:47, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

The photo of these three women is not the Sager daughters..I have this same photo from my family albums that says these are the Ramson sister, Matilda, Augusta and Alvina Ramson. Alvina was married to Rudolph Sager. Somehow this photo has been misidentified. I have photos of these women when they were younger, also, and the likeness to the women in this photo is unmistakeable. Linda G. Westrich —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.97.228.129 (talk • contribs) 17:19, June 20, 2007

Here's the url the image was sourced from: http://www.nps.gov/archive/whmi/educate/whmitg/3whmi4.htm Latr, Katr 21:06, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

This photo is NOT the Sager Orphans. This photo has been mislabeled. These are the Ramson sisters, Mathilda, Alvina and Augusta. This photo is in my family album. Alvina was married to Rudolph Sager. You are perpetrating a lie with this photo. LG Westrich —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.200.149.102 (talk • contribs) 01:19, September 13, 2007

Please check the URL above and take up your complaint with the National Park Service, which we consider a reliable source, though of course they could be wrong. The caption on the picture there says, "Catherine Sager Pringle, Elizabeth Sager Helm, and Matilda Sager Delaney. Taken at the 50th anniversary commemoration, November 1897. (Photo identified by family members and historians.)", however. Katr67 01:58, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image talk:Catherine, Elizabeth and Matilda Sager.jpg

I have contacted the National Park Service on behalf of Ms. Westrich, as she has given no indication whether she has done so. Here is the text of my message:

Hi, I'm a volunteer editor at Wikipedia and in our article about the Sager Orphans:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sager_orphans an editor used this image from your website (which we understand to be in the public domain):

http://www.nps.gov/archive/whmi/educate/whmitg/3whmi4.htm

You can see the attribution here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Catherine%2C_Elizabeth_and_Matilda_Sager.jpg

Unfortunately, someone thinks that your identification of the image is incorrect, which you can read about here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_talk:Catherine%2C_Elizabeth_and_Matilda_Sager.jpg

And here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sager_orphans#Picture

I don't know how to contact Ms. Westrich, since she is editing using an dynamic IP, but I thought I would try to intervene on her behalf. Like I said in my postings on Wikipedia (as User:Katr67), we consider the NPS to be a reliable source, but I thought I would let you know of this person's concern on the chance that she may be onto something. If possible, please let me know if you can (or can't) reassure us of the accuracy of the description of the image and what further steps should be taken. Thanks for your time and attention!

[My Real Name]

I hope this helps! I'll post again when I hear back from them. Katr67 (talk) 05:12, 15 April 2008 (UTC)