Talk:Russian Revolution (1917)
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[edit] Source/POV
I am going to make a few changes to the article's language becaue I don't feel that it meets wiki standards. Lets look at an example: "Almost everyone felt that the texture of their lives was transformed by a spreading commercial culture which remade the surfaces of material life (buildings, store fronts, advertisements, fashion, clocks and machines) and nurtured new objects of desire.[1]" How can any cyclopedic source guarantee that almost anyone felt anything? Only a personal opinion of an expert can make this sort of assumption, and the source listed doesn't qualify. You can't tell me to "see Cambridge history of Russia." I need a more definitive source.
Sadly, this is mere example of the vast flaws with this article, and I intend to spend some time in the future changing other lines. Anyone want to offer a hand to help? Mrathel (talk) 13:30, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Conflicting evidence
According to, Modern World History (ISBN 0-435-30830-0) the Winter Palace was captured at 0200 hours on the 7/11/17 rather than the 25/10/17 that is stated here on Wikipedia. I will replace the current information if there are no objections as the information here is not cited. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Oliverwk (talk • contribs).
The dates in this article need to be either standardized (to either Julian or Gregorian dates) or identified clearly (as Gregorian or Julian calendar dates). EDIT: By the way, I'm talking about the ones within the body of the article, not in the timeline at the end. --V2Blast 04:58, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
More important than the exact timing of the taking of the Winter Palace is the focusing on the killing of the Romanov family. Once again, a lot of space is devoted to the "poor rich" savagely murdered by the wild, savage and criminal revolutionary men. Why almost nobody seems to worry about the many poor families which were completely murdered by the czarist police?, or the 500 workers (from the mines I've read) who were brutaly shot to death in the preceding strikes in Russia? Nobody seems to cry for the thousands of poor massacred during strikes and other (even legal) movements, but many people (very far from workers, of course) cry for these rich vampires. Of course, the wife and the children had not to be shot as they were (according to most western sources) but the fact that this was ordered by Lenin directly seems ridicule. According to Lenin's point of view, the fight was not against the czar as a person or the royal family, nor against any noble. Years later, he wrote that after the shooting of his brother Sasha for his participation in the attempt to kill czar Nicholas, his logical thinkingg took him to cast away the terrorism against the czar, or king, or any particular person. Nevertheless, Nicholas II was guilty of many killings and other harsh punishments imposed on both unionist and political ideologist and of course, on action activists. Seems more likely that the killing of the Romanov was ordered locally, there in Yekaterinburg. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vercinguetorix (talk • contribs) 21:10, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
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xpansion Needed == This is a major topic. I wonder why this page is so short.
- Its wierd, but there is also separate articles for the february and october revolution. So what is the purpose of this article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.17.210.145 (talk) 16:21, 15 February 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Citing Sources
I would like to take some time to modify the way that the sources are cited in this article since they are somewhat inconsistent and scattered. I plan to keep a similar format for the article but with full and consistent citations for all sources that are used in the References section and the comments on sources used in the Notes section. This will organize the citation information much better. If anyone has any comments or objections, please let me know. TheVault 18:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Expansion
Seriously; The Soviet Union fell almost 18 years ago; surely we have more information on this.
The Russian Revolution effected, most importantly, Asian interaction with the Western world, forever changing it. We should do more for this article. Saint yondo 03:06, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- I completely agree with you Saint yondo, but the aricle also needs some structural cleanup as well as more concise citations (see above) as well as expansions. Your help would be greatly appreciated in improving this aritcle. TheVault 01:46, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Czar/Tsar?
There seems to be some dispute over the nomenclature - should we use Czar, or Tsar? Essentially, they're the same thing. I think since on Wikipedia "Czar" and "Tzar" all redirect to Tsar, we should use that. Correct me if I'm wrong. And Yes, I DO know either way is proper.Saint yondo 12:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- One measure is that almost all professional historians of Russia in the US and scholarly presses that publish about Russia prefer tsar. This is also the official Library of Congress transliteration from Russian. Peshkov 14:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Missing literature
I was researching something for a project that i am doing, interpreting the metaphors of "Animal Farm". I noticed that Animal Farm was not listed under the Pertaining Lititure section. This really ought to be added in. 67.142.130.39 02:43, 4 September 2007 (UTC)DAVID
Animal Farm is not necessarily pertinent literature because it is about communism as a whole and not the Russian Revolution of 1917, a specific communist revolution. --Mike 00:50, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- Actually, According to an foreword in my copy of Animal farm (One of the more recently published ones), it mentions that George Orwell wrote the book to satirize communist revolutions, but more specifically the Russian Revolution.
TheVaultDweller (talk) 23:01, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
This book "Animal Farm" has been used and abused for many years and in many ways. It is something remarkable the strong debate around it. I think that "Animal Farm" refers mostly to the Russian Revolution, not to any "communist" or socialist revolution around the world, even when there are several points in common in many countries where totalitarianism has gained space. But "Animal Farm" refers rather to Stalinism than the Soviet October Revolution from its very beginning. The very reference to the old leader, really worried about poverty, misery and exploitation who died too early (Lenin) the other fighter from the old guard which faced the enemy in the hardest moments of the Revolution itself and later during the invasion from outsiders (Trotsky) and the seize of power in a tyrannical and totalitarian way by another one (Stalin) is quite clear. And I would like to add two more subjects for this topic: the origin of Orwell and his probable membership into the British security system (somebody may write its proper name) which I can neither assert nor deny and the fatal deviation made by the movie which is supposedly inspired in the novel written by Orwell.
Vercinguetorix (talk) 20:46, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Errors
Maybe it's just from my perspective, but I've been noticing alot of errors and misleading text in here. Various words are being subed out for other words, and it takes alot of thought just to realise when somebody has replaced a word with something that has nothing to do with the subject. If somebody would kindly go through the whole article and fix up some of the errors, that'd be awsome. I'll help out if needed. TheVaultDweller 02:15, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
- I'll do a this a bit at a time, there are some strange passages in the article. RomaC 02:58, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Vandalism.
Does anybody else think this article gets vandalized too much? Isnt there a way we can lock it for a while? I've seen it on other articles, cant we do that here? all the existing information seems fine..--Kolia. 00:29, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
who the hell are you to say that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.61.149.42 (talk) 18:40, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Documents Russian Revolution
Hi guys,
I have found this website which contains documents (mostly English) about the Russian Revolution. The website is a forum, but there is almost no possibility for responding. Maybe a nice link to add to the External links?
http://www.hemelbestormer.nl/viewforum.php?f=93
Mjamjamja (talk) 16:21, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Revolution vs. Revolutions
I was wondering if the page should be renamed to "Russian Revolutions (1917)". We have separate articles for the individual revolutions (February and October), while this article is more of an overview. I know the events of 1917 are often lumped together as a "revolution", in the singular, however for Wikipedia I think the use of a plural (revolutions) would be more accurate. Otebig (talk) 04:01, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
- Makes sense to me, assuming it's still on the table. Carl.bunderson (talk) 04:07, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
