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[edit] The Tory Party at prayer

witnessed a breaking down of what had been the perception (in reality only dating from the late nineteenth century, and never based on any evidence) of an historic link between the Conservative Party and the Church of England,

This argument is just not true, frankly. There is plenty of evidence of an historical link between the Tories and the Anglican church.

Torn between their support for the Crown and their deep attachment to the Church of England, which they saw threatened by James II, many Tories chose the latter and invited William of Orange to intervene.--Anthony Seldon and Peter Snowdon, The Conservative Party (Sutton, 2004), p. 3.
But lest one overestimate Burke's significance for the Conservative Party, it is worth remembering that his key positions, including support for the...Church of England...had been part of the conservative tradition long before Burke joined its ranks.--Ibid, p. 9.
As the first genuinely Anglican prime minister since Salisbury, and one who spoke openly as a professed Christian and of the English nation as a spiritual body, Baldwin probably helped consolidate most Anglican voters--untouched by the Labour sympathies of some Bishops and clergy--behind the Conservative party.--Philip Williamson, 'The doctrinal politics of Stanley Bladwin' in M. Bentley, Public and Private Doctrine (CUP, 2002), p. 205.

The historian James Sack has argued in his From Jacobite to Conservative (CUP, 1993) that pre-1832 British conservatism was primarily concerned with the defence of the Church of England, rather than patriotism, monarchism or economics. I will therefore amend the article.--Johnbull 19:41, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

It was less true by Runcie's lifetime, which is what this article must concern itself with. I think the argument is also rather overdone - William Temple had been in Canterbury a few decades before Runcie, and Tory kind of isn't what you think about when you think of Bishop Bell of Chichester, Hewlett Johnson, the Red Dean of Canterbury, Frank Weston, etc., etc. Gerry Lynch 15:11, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image

Can anybody source a licence-free image of Runcie? It just doesn't seem awfully respectful to have the only image on this article as one of his grave. What's the consensus? --Psicorps 11:03, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


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