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Contents 1 Archives 2 EVE Online 3 Reference Test 4 Board Candidacy 5 Good work Sir 6 EVE Article 7 Source for EVE 8 Eve-Wiki 9 Please 10 RFCbot 11 EVE Online Article 12 External fan links 13 Edit summaries 14 Orphaned non-free media (Image:EVEOnlineLogo.jpg)

[edit] Archives

I have archived everything on this page as of 30th May 2007, much of it was old and redundant, you can find archives (why would you want to?) to the right. I also messed up creating the page somehow... really not sure how, I think I have fixed it, if anyone can explain what I did wrong please let me know. -- Richard Slater (Talk to me!) 14:01, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] EVE Online

Thank you for your extensive work on the EVE Online article. Many great <ref> cleanups!

I wanted to let you know, however, that one of your edits appears to have accidentally deleted some information from the article. I have no doubt that this was unintentional, but it did result in some confusion on the article's Talk page. In the future, please be careful with <ref> and other tags that remove visibility from content; it's a lot easier to spot a mistake than a lack thereof! Again, thanks for your cleanup, it was sorely needed, and if all we have to do in return is fix a <ref> tag, we've gotten a hell of a deal!  :D Jouster  (whisper) 08:58, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello Jouster, thank you for your comment, I have been looking over it and I can't see where I went wrong. Could you be more specific as to what I did and where? Thanks again for sorting it out. -- Richard Slater (Talk to me!) 19:04, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

This line:

:CCP did not investigate this issue. Instead, posting an excerpt from the supposedly-damning document, they maintained that they only rarely influence the larger in-game fiction's results and never influence which players benefit.<ref name="devblog472">

Not closing the <ref> tag has the effect of deleting the bullet point immediately after it; compare this and this. Jouster  (whisper) 21:53, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Ah Ha, thank you, will be more careful in the future. -- Richard Slater (Talk to me!) 09:05, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

There's a broken link on the Eve article in the Cost section near the bottom, the link is to "Official Eve Online Store", since the article is locked, I can't change it, thanks -J —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.60.183.149 (talk) 16:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reference Test

This reference dosn't work (why?): ^[1]

This reference has been re-written: ^[2]

1. ^ [http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=25576 "Space Race"] - CCP's Hilmar Veigar Petursson talks EVE Online.
2. ^ Space Race - CCP's Hilmar Veigar Petursson talks to GamesIndustry.biz about EVE Online

[edit] Board Candidacy

Hi! I'm leaving you this note because we've had extensive and/or productive interaction over the course of my time on this Wiki. I (yep, little ol' Jouster!) am running for election to the Wikimedia Board of Trustees. I would greatly appreciate it if you would please take a look at my submission of candidacy, and consider endorsing me, as that is a requirement for me to stand for election.

If you have any questions or concerns about this notice, please don't hesitate to poke me on my Talk page. If you object to this solicitation for endorsement, please do not hesitate to remove it from your Talk page with my apologies; it will not appear again.

I look forward to serving you all on the Board! Jouster  (whisper) 18:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good work Sir

on the EVE online article, I ran away screaming from the keyboard trying to add references for the latest patch, looks nice and tidy now. Been playing long?--The internet is serious business 19:03, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I have kind of unofficially adopted EVE Online as my pet article, much of the work was done by other editors and I have tried to refine it and keep it in check over time, I am a bit of a stickler for references particularly on a topic that is so well document by Dev Blogs, Feature Pages and News Items. I have been playing EVE for approaching 3 and a half years, no sign of stopping yet! Yourself? -- Richard Slater (Talk to me!) 19:17, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] EVE Article

I have heard of and seen articles in the past, but sadly I can't remember where. It might have been Newsweek or something, but if I could find it, id post it and cite it. Piuro 21:41, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Source for EVE

You asked a while back for the publication that ran something on EVE, well, here you go! http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0c3c18fe-fc03-11db-93a4-000b5df10621.html Piuro 03:07, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eve-Wiki

Has 5 editors and has been in operation for over 2 years. Has over 50 contributors and more showing up every week. It meets the criteria of eligibility. Alatari 08:15, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
What criterion will it need to meet before you remove your objection? Alatari 08:42, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please

Make sure you admonish User:2005 who has been the one doing edits without making any attempt to come to an agreement on the talk page Alatari 16:41, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Alatari, I have posted a Request for Comments on the EVE Online Talk Page as per Wikipedia Policy. Also please note that removing warnings from your talk page is a banable offence, 2005 has not broken any rules reverting your changes, please read up on the 3 Revert Rule if you still feel that 2005 has broken the rule, instructions are included on acting on this changes. -- RichardSlater ^(About) / _(Talk) 16:48, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Just from an outside perspective, your assertion that "removing warnings... is a banable offence" is incorrect. You are well advised to discuss your editing objections on the relevant talk pages without threatening other editors with being banned. Thanks. The Rambling Man 17:00, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

You are correct, I was in error to say that it was a banable offence, as since the last time I have seen an editor revert a warning on their page a consensus has been reached on the topic. Therefore I retract my above statement. Apologies to Alatari. -- RichardSlater ^(About) / _(Talk) 17:10, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RFCbot

The RFCpolicy list will be populating shortly. MessedRocker (talk) 16:13, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] EVE Online Article

It's getting pretty lengthy and with a new content section going to continue to steadily grow every new major patch; maybe we could get a EVE Online Expansions article to be accepted as notable and acceptable. WoW has an article for each new expansion so it doesn't seem unreasonable to me. The races articles were deleted for being to game specific but new content as a sign of CCP's evolution and any effects it has on the rest of the MMO world are encyclopedic. On a side point, I'm puzzled WoW keeps it's races pages. Maybe it's because those mythical races have roots in other human cultures but the Amarr and others don't? It makes me wonder if the EVE race articles had focused more on the worldly arch types of Slaver, Capitalist, etc. if they would then have been considered more notable. Alatari 10:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea, although I would name it Expansions of EVE Online to fit with the Races of EVE Online (deleted), Spaceships of EVE Online and Weapons of EVE Online (deleted) pattern. I would expect that WoW gets to keep more of its "un-encyclopedic" articles because of the subscriber numbers, 6m accounts is always going to trump 250k accounts even if you argue that WoW has a higher account to person ratio, which I don't even know if you can argue. As you have mentioned in our previous conversations Wikipedias policys are not applied consistantly, my personal choice is to pick an area of Wikipedia that I am willing to devote time to (i.e. one I have an interest in) and stick to that section applying policys to the best of your ability. -- RichardSlater ^(About) / _(Talk) 13:24, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External fan links

Another article I watch has an ever growing list of fansites in the EL section and I wanted to clean it up. How did you all handle routing the EL on EVE Online page to the Open Directory project? I mean did you submit them all yourself, post comment on the ELinkers talk pages or delete them and post a comment on the article talk page about how to submit them to Open Directory? Alatari (talk) 22:01, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

It was a while ago, but I looked at Wikipedia's policies and what other people were doing on other articles and just deleted the links. Possibly a bit bull in the china shop, but it wasn't too bad. Most of the content was already on DMOZ - what wasn't possibly wouldn't get accepted anyway or was blatant spam. -- RichardSlater ^(About) / _(Talk) 22:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

See what I did on the TRS-80 article and the Talk:TRS-80 and see if it is a reasonable course. Thanks for your input. Alatari (talk) 23:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Looks good, I think I probably interpreted the WP:EL more ruthlessly than you. I would also include a {{dmoz|Computers/Hardware/Historical/Tandy/}} template, pointing to a relevant part of DMOZ. -- RichardSlater ^(About) / _(Talk) 08:40, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

You mean allowing the Collection of old analog and digital computers at www.oldcomputermuseum.com link? Every old computer I've looked for; his site has a picture. It seems allowable under WP:EL to me and I haven't found a professional museum of the same quality yet. Alatari (talk) 17:13, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

It is easy to quantify that Old Computer Museum contains more information than else where on the web, however the article TRS-80 is about a specific model not a collection of computers, and the information included on the TRS-80 page is limited compared to the article itself. I can't see a value in the link that couldn't be incorporated into the article and referenced. -- RichardSlater ^(About) / _(Talk) 14:31, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I understand your point. It's a decent link to keep on the Personal Computer article but linking it to every individual computer at the collection seems against Wiki policy. Thanks for your input. Policing every computing devices EL section is a full time job. Alatari (talk) 05:53, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit summaries

Hi,

You might want to watch your edit summaries. Lines like

adding unreferenced content into wikipedia is vandalism

are really best avoided; Wikipedia has a clear distinction between vandalism and content disputes, and editors who confuse the two often come off worse when admins get involved to resolve disputes. You're obviously in the right on the actual comment though, and your work on the EVE Online article is great. Chris Cunningham (talk) 10:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up, it is certainly clear in my mind that when the content of the edit is in opposition to references and the references are not updated it is vandalism as per Wikipedia:Vandalism. I do concede though that to an editor that has not been privy to past conversations my edit summary would be contentious. -- RichardSlater ^(About) / _(Talk) 10:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Mmm. Thing is, there really is quite a broad line between "an edit I strongly disagree with" and "vandalism", and even trolling isn't really vandalism in that sense. As I say, it's something to watch in your summaries. Chris Cunningham (talk) 11:21, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Understood, I will approach edit summaries more thoughtfully in the future. -- RichardSlater ^(About) / _(Talk) 11:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned non-free media (Image:EVEOnlineLogo.jpg)

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