Talk:Republic of Molossia

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This article was nominated for deletion on May 12, 2007. The result of the discussion was keep.

Contents 1 AfD? 2 Cleanup needed 3 NPOV 4 Should this be a candidate for deletion? 5 Flag

[edit] AfD?

Doesn't this article seem a little NPOV?

Molossia is one of the smallest nations on earth, but what it lacks in size it makes up for in spirit. A sense of humor characterizes most Molossian people, which, coupled with the casual and comfortable western lifestyle, makes Molossia an enjoyable place to visit.

Also, the claims in the article aren't entirely verifiable, as many of them are made either directly or (see Lonely Planet Guide) indirectly by the subject. (Plus, they're a bit ridiculous: a four-person nation at war?)

On 22 May 2006, Molossia was attacked by the nearby small nation of Mustachistan, resulting in a brief war with that nation. That war ended on 8 June 2006, with a resounding Molossian victory.

Examination of Molossia's website will reveal photographs purporting to be of Mustachistani forces which are undoubtedly those of 'President' Baugh and his son, Molossia's supposed enemy in the 'war'. Surely this is a role playing game involving dressing up in fancy dress and playing childish games, and has no place in a serious encyclopaedia. This isn't a AfD proposal, but the article looks a lot like a vanity page. So, if this article remains as it is, maybe an AfD nomination isn't completely out of the quesion. --75.108.162.241 22:55, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I would certainly support an AFD proposal. I almost AFDed when I was new page patrolling, but I decided against it based on the fact that all of these micronations seem to end up with the result of no consensus after big fights on their AFDs (This is a baised sample though, given that micronations which are delted wouldn't be in the list of micronations... hmmm... Irongargoyle 23:04, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

There is no reason to delete the article, Molossia is a respected, legitimate and well known micronation, the article just needs to be cleaned up a little. -Retep412 9/17/06

Molossia is one of the better known whimsical micronations, and has received extensive coverage in the print and electronic media over many years. Proposed AFD would not be appropriate. The article does need lots of work tho. --125.253.33.101 20:00, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

The article seems NPOV? Isn't that a good thing? I like this article! ;) -Laikalynx (talk) 21:10, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup needed

This article is written "in universe", and it bears 3 maintenance templates. It needs to be improved to meet WP:NPOV, WP:NOR, WP:RS and WP:V, or it will be nominated for deletion. --kingboyk 22:48, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

If the article is kept, it still needs cleaning. For example, it says things like "Molossia is one of the smallest nations on earth." Well, not really, because to my knowledge it's not recognised as a nation. That should read claims to be. Also, if (and I don't know, but some people have said on the AfD) it's supposed to be a joke or a bit of lighthearted fun, the article should say so.

Finally, I've been informed that it has a sizeable chapter in the Lonely Planet Micronations book. Can somebody, then, please add the page numbers to the reference to make that apparent? (e.g. "pp100-109"). --kingboyk 15:27, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

I have marked this article as NPOV. It appears to have been written by the author of this nation (as indeed, the image uploader claims to be the author). I derive this claim from the fact that no neutral information about this "republic" is presented - it's presented as a de facto state, when it isn't so whatsoever. There are no third party mentions of this "republic" whatsoever. The Evil Spartan 19:17, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Should this be a candidate for deletion?

If i started my own page on my backgarden as a micronation wouldn't that get deleted? This is absurd and as such should be deleted. it is not even recognised by the USA. 86.137.38.2 (talk) 12:38, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I completely agree, this is a silly and pointless page Philbuck222 (talk) 12:39, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Not if your backgarden received coverage in a published book and a number of newspaper articles, television programs, etc. Been there, done that, survived the AfD. Molossia meets Wikipedia's notability guideline. PubliusFL (talk) 17:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Let's not forget that, technically, anybody who wishes to start their own country can under the Montevideo Convention. I've done a lot of cleaning up on this page. I see no reason why it should be deleted.--Lowbudgetmoviecritic (talk) 21:00, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

That's settled it, I'm going to create my own micronation when I get back from work. Viva la revolutione! Philbuck222 (talk) 08:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Go for it! If you get non-trivial coverage in multiple reliable sources, let us know and we'll even write up a Wikipedia article for you. :) PubliusFL (talk) 16:43, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh don't worry I will. First thing I'll do is Declare War on the Republic of Molossia and get papers to write about that! Philbuck222 (talk) 17:31, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

This should be deleted. Perhaps another go at AFD? The coverage in the refs appears to be passing reference or sources lacking independence from the subject. Fails WP:N. Edison (talk) 20:36, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Excellent. Let's get this article deleted! One more article that has been unduly created that will now be deleted. The quality of wikipedia will strive! Philbuck222 (talk) 22:04, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I was in the paper once when I was 3 years old. Can I have my own Wikipedia article? No, seriously though - this is nonsense. Let's delete it. Bazonka (talk) 21:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Although there is a great deal of controversy surrounding the legitimacy of Molossia, it has been mentioned several times in print, television and online. Although a cleanup could certianly be useful, it would be pointless to delete the article.--Spymoviefan (talk) 23:21, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I cleaned up the article and added some NPOV content and then Spymoviefan deleted it with more in-universe style promo. I reverted. -Colfer2 (talk) 04:01, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Spymoviefan (talk · contribs) continues to delete my NPOV edits, I continue to revert. Would any other editors like to try to improve this article? One edit Spy makes is to remove the adjective "humorous" describing the news coverage. The word seems accurate to me. Other opinions? -Colfer2 (talk) 04:20, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

If there is non-trivial coverage about this in multiple reliable sources then they should be in the article. Currently all we have as a reliable source is the Lonely Planet guide. Unless the sourcing is improved, the article is liable to be deleted. (BTW wikinews is not usually consider a reliable source) Nil Einne (talk) 08:54, 2 May 2008 (UTC)Ooops I just noticed the article has several references in a seperate references section. Ideally the references should be converted to inline but as it stands it seems the subject is noteable Nil Einne (talk) 08:58, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I've done quite a bit of editing on this artilce today, adding sources and images, creating new subjects, adding links, etc. I think it would be best to keep it this way for the time being, until new information can be added. I tried to make it more NPOV, as the previous version was, in my opinion, downplaying Molossia as little more than a joke. Although the country may be humorous, the people there appear to take themselves seriously. It would only be decent to respect their views. The current article does not glorify Molossia, it only delivers the facts straight from their website and other sources. --Spymoviefan (talk) 01:48, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I reverted the edits were were entirely non-NPOV, without reliable sources, nor an external perspective. Humorous, but it seems Spymovie fan should develop his or her own wiki project for Molossia where he or she can develop his or her ideas without hindrance. -Colfer2 (talk) 04:41, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I undid Colfer2's edit as the previous version was written by Philbuck222, who has stated that he wants this article to be deleted, and therefore did not make an NPOV contribution to it. I see nothing that glorifies Molossia in my version, everything is taken straight from the Molossian Government's website. It would appear that there is a great deal of bias towards Molossia from Wikipedians, which is evident on this discussion page.--Spymoviefan (talk) 00:56, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Refs from Molossia.org are not neutral. Nor would an article about the USA be based solely on White House press releases. Get real colonel, I am trying to save this article. Your edits will lead to its deletion. -Colfer2 (talk) 07:37, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Flag

I've noticed that Molossian flag resembles that of Uzbekistan. Any connection between two of 'em? 89.236.214.174 (talk) 13:22, 10 June 2008 (UTC)