Talk:Repton (computer game)

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Contents 1 Rename 'The Repton Series'? 2 Language 3 Boulderdash clone? 4 The other Repton 5 Screenshots 6 Repton Thru Time 7 Repton in other media 8 Fair use rationale for Image:Repton anim.gif 9 C64 screenshot

[edit] Rename 'The Repton Series'?

As this article covers many different games, should it not be renamed 'The Repton Series' with redirects from each individual game title? The other alternative would be splititng the article but I think it works well as one big article. -- Retro junkie 01:35, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know whether there's any point in actually moving the article, but redirects are always useful, so I have now created several, both from variants of The Repton Series and from individual game titles. Let me know if I've missed any. Thanks Paul20070 21:47, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Language

Could anyone tell me what language the BBC games were written in? Raw assembler? Surely not BASIC? Or did they have C compilers then?

Pretty sure it would have been developed in raw assmebler (machine code). Most games were. In general the BASIC interpreter is too slow to do any kind of slick animation/scrolling/special effects (Much to my frustration as a kid!) Although some games were cunningly designed to work around such limitations, or to use embedded blocks of assmebly code within the BASIC code... most of the more slick games like Repton, were machine code from top to bottom. -- Nojer2 13:39, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Boulderdash clone?

Isn't Repton essentially a (nice) Boulder Dash clone? If so, then the article should definitely say so.--Malcohol 08:46, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Certainly not! Both belong to the same genre -- to attempt to summarise briefly, a series of levels, each a square grid, with a player-controlled character who moves around one square at a time; the level is filled with puzzle objects that interact with the player in different ways. I don't know which game was the first of this genre, but I'd bet there were others even before Boulder Dash. Aside from that, though, the similarities are few. Both games contain a lot of types of object that don't appear in the other, and that leads to the two games having completely different "feels" when you play them. -- 11 July 2005 10:05

[edit] The other Repton

There is, confusingly, another well-known home computer game from the period called Repton. [1] It's a Defender-inspired game for the Apple II, Atari 8-bit, and Commodore 64. Mirror Vax 1 July 2005 20:43 (UTC)

[edit] Screenshots

The screenshots seem to be just of the Electron version, and not the original BBC version. They differed in many ways. AFAIR, the Electron version didn't use hardware scrolling, which permitted the status bar down the side. 213.120.158.228 21:20, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Repton Thru Time

i'm sure someone will disagree with what I'm about to say, but I have recently been playing the flash version of Repton Thru Time, and found that one of the levels (Pre-History) is impossible to complete. This is on account of having to collect one of the keys from underneath a boulder situated between two trees. If you collect this key, then attempt to move, the boulder falls and crushes the game's eponimous hero. You may think at this point 'No worries, I've still got two lives', but you re-materialise back at the beginning, where you will eventually find that your path has been blocked by more boulders which have fallen as you've collected the berries. Have a go if you don't believe me.

I can't speak for the other levels of the game as Pre-History did my head in so much I eventually gave up.

81.152.222.87 19:38, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

If this object is indeed a key, then it does not need to be collected in order to complete the screen. Only one key has to be collected, not all of them. In any case, you'd be better off asking this on a BBC games forum such as the ones at stairwaytohell.com. —Blotwell 14:58, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for getting back to me. I knew someone would disagree with me - and now I'm going to disagree with myself. After I posted my comment the other day, I had a go at the Victorian level and found I was able to complete this one. I guess I must be doing something wrong with Pre-History therefore, so I will ask someone at the site you suggested. Thanks again. 81.152.223.30 22:09, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I wrote the flash version of the repton games, and although i've tried to recreate the logic of the gameplay as close as i can, i have done this by eye. I know for sure the 1st level of prehistoric is probably impossible as when the game starts the spirits on the real game just off the start viewing area all move into cages. On my version there is one cage left. I have no idea why this is as the spirits just follow the wall in (As far as i can tell) exactly the same way as the original. I did my best. :) You can actually skip to the later levels by clicking on the 0 in the box at the start and using the cursor keys to adjust the level. 218.162.183.34 13:03, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi there. I hope I didn't offend you with my comments about Repton Thru Time. I was unfamiliar with the game at the time I wrote my message, having never actually played any of the original Repton series, so I thought that any programming mistakes must have been something to do with the original design and not the flash version. Therefore, please accept my apologies. Also, thanks for the advice on skipping levels as I did not know you could do this. 81.152.217.198 09:46, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

(The object between two trees on Prehist Screen A is actually a time capsule; these do not need to be collected at all unless you need to replenish your time to avoid losing a life. On this screen you have plenty of time so you can just leave the time capsule alone. I know you say you've passed the level now but I'm clarifying so that people aren't given a misleading impression about the game being impossible.) 91.105.55.182 01:41, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

For those who are interested in such matters here is a list of the Repton levels which I have found are impossible to complete (for whatever reason that may be).

• Repton Thru Time
  • Prehist: Level A
  • Victorian: Level C
  • Victorian: Level H
• Repton Around The World In 40 Screens
  • America: Level F
  • Arctic: Level E

This list is by no means exhaustive and there may be others. I haven't got round to playing all the levels on all the games yet. Watch this space. 217.43.192.135 21:42, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

• The Life of Repton
  • Work: Level D —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.43.195.39 (talk) 16:44, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Work: Level G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.148.92 (talk) 19:56, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

We're now invited to create user IDs and log in so we can compare our scores with those of other players. Would help if the glitches were sorted out. Egdirf 19:42, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I hate to say this, but you may be giving up too easily when you get stuck on a puzzle. All levels of the Repton games are possible to complete. (Though it does depend on which version you are using; some unofficial versions have gameplay bugs that make certain levels impossible, for example by making the fungus grow much faster than on the "real" Repton games.) Work D, for example, is one of the levels I completed on the original BBC version when I had it as a child.

I have written solutions to all the Repton 3 and Life of Repton levels, which can be downloaded from http://www.stairwaytohell.com . I haven't got round to writing up the Around the World and Thru Time levels yet but I have completed them all and they are all possible. 91.105.27.2 19:54, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Wait a second. Prehist A? Is the problem that one of the spirits is going in an endless little circle? If so, that shouldn't happen but I can explain why it does. Let me know if that is your problem. 91.105.27.2 20:08, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me. Yes, that's right, the spirits do go round in endless circles. I also had the same thing happen on the two Victorian levels I mentioned, and Life of Repton Work Level G. The problem on the Life of Repton Work level D, meanwhile, seems to be with the transporters. Use one and you are transported out of the game rather than to another area of the screen. Repton is then able to pass through walls and deadly objects, but can no longer collect any of the things needed to complete the level. This also happens on Level A, but it is possible to complete this level without using the transporter.

As regards the Around the World series, I think you might be right there. I should probably persevere a bit more, although I spent several hours on the particular levels, and there seemed to be no way through to the end. In the Arctic level, for example, the route to the ice pick that is needed to unlock the safes is apparently blocked by thin ice, with no way of reaching it.

Like you say, however, I might be giving up too early. I'll keep trying though, but will also keep an eye on the stairwaytohell website in case I'm still stuck.

Once again, thanks for getting back to me on this and hopefully you may be able to remedy the problem. 81.156.154.83 22:06, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

PS: Forgot to say the other day that the spirits also go around in endless circles on other Victorian levels, although it is possible to correct this by dropping/pushing a boulder on them. This is definitely the case in levels E and G (I think, but have never been able to get that one right). It can't be done in C and H though. 217.43.195.174 12:25, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

OK. The issue is that each of the Repton 3 packs (Repton 3 itself, Around the World, Life of Repton and Thru Time) includes the levels and the game engine, but the versions of the game engine are not identical. The three add-on packs use a later version with a different algorithm for deciding which direction a spirit first tries to move as you start the level. On the old version that came with Repton 3, spirits would always start by trying to move west, and if this was blocked they would follow the walls to their left as they normally do. This means that if you play some of the later levels, such as Prehist A, on the Repton 3 game engine, the spirits start off dazed because they start by trying to move west and have no wall to take hold of. To complete the levels, you need to play them on the later version of the game engine.

On Work D, it depends on which transporter is malfunctioning; you don't need the second one, only the one in the lower left. As I said, I did complete this one on the original BBC version, so you may just have a buggy copy of the level file. The secret to Arctic E is to find the correct ice-pick.... there is one that is possible to reach. 91.107.134.55 16:40, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I'll keep it in mind. I really should probably invest in a copy of this game rather than keep playing the flash version. Incidentally, it's on the flash version where I've been experiencing the above mentioned problems, so I guess it must be based on the different version you mention. Hopefully, the guy who created it might read this and do some much needed tweaking, especially as you can now log in as a member of his site to play against others. What use is a game you can't complete?

Apologies if you are him btw, and thanks again for getting back to me. 81.157.70.162 (talk) 12:09, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

So where is that ice pick on E? I'm still trying to find it. Some directions there would be useful. 81.152.144.127 (talk) 23:09, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah, sorry, I haven't been watching this page for some time. My walkthrough for Around the World should be available from Stairway to Hell some time in the next couple of weeks. Meanwhile, the correct key (ice-pick) on Arctic E is the one in the bottom-left corner. 91.107.176.87 (talk) 01:56, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Just been trying to get there, but can't seem to do it. Whichever direction I choose, I always seem to find my way blocked. I think I'll have to wait for your Stairway to Hell article. Thanks 81.152.1.70 (talk) 13:43, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Just a heads-up to let you know that the walkthrough is (at last!!!) available. 91.107.131.126 (talk) 01:47, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Thenks for keeping me up to date. I'll check it out 81.152.222.39 (talk) 12:43, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I see the problem now. There seems to be an extra boulder on the version I have been playing. When you start 2E on this version, moving left, right, up then left, you are forced to push a boulder to reach the next part, which falls over another boulder and blocks the way down. There is, therefore, no way of completing the level on this version. Similarly, two of the spirits on Level H of the Victorian round in Repton Thru Time go round in endless circles and there's no way to free them and complete the game. There are also similar errors on the other levels, which I've mentioned above. Oh well, Guess I'll just have to buy the proper version. 86.150.43.251 (talk) 16:50, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Repton in other media

Has anyone ever considered a film or television series featuring Repton? I'm sure it would make an interesting idea if it were ever possible.

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Repton anim.gif

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:18, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] C64 screenshot

I have never played the C64 version so I don't want to simply edit the page as I may be wrong, but -- the caption says this is an in game screenshot, whereas to me it looks like the editor. (The editor menus and control panel are clearly visible along the top and in the top-right.) Does anyone know? 91.105.25.170 (talk) 01:39, 7 March 2008 (UTC)