Talk:Province of Trento

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Province of Trento → Autonomous Province of Trento — To recognize the special status of this autonomous province in the title of the article. —Icsunonove 00:57, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

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[edit] In Support of the move

• Support As nominator. We've had past straw polls, and when comparing Autonomous Province of Trento to Province of Trento, the former was more acceptable. Also "Autonomous Province of" is a more correct translation. Icsunonove 00:58, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
• Support per nom. I don't have a strong opinion on this, but the special autonomy status makes it plausible to adjust the name. These provinces (TN and BZ) are a bit different in that respect, and it could and should be reflected in the article name. Should this request succeed, I'd also support a move of "South Tyrol" to "Autonomous Province of Bolzano". —AldeBaer (c) 11:48, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
• Support per AldeBaer —Ian Spackman 12:37, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] In opposition to the move

• Oppose The most logical name, according to this page, is "Province of Trento", and the autonomous Italian regions don't have an "Autonomous region of-" title in wikipedia, but they have an asterisk when they are listed.--Supparluca 08:17, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

  Yeah, but the thing is, aren't these the only two provinces in Italy that have explicitly "Autonomous Province of" in their titles? Take a look at Italian Wikipedia: [1] (scroll down to Trentino-Alto Adige); [2] (Provincia autonoma di Trento); [3] (Provincia autonoma di Bolzano). I'm an engineer, I like to be precise. :-) Icsunonove 11:22, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

In fact, I don't like the version of the Italian wikipedia :). I think that an asterisk is enough.--Supparluca 12:23, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose for the reasons stated above and also because it would be more difficult to move "South Tyrol" to "Autonomous Province of Bolzano" than to "Province of Bolzano". These are two separate issues, but while "Province of Trento" is a little bit imprecise, "South Tyrol" is highly imprecise and incorrect. --Checco 14:12, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

  Incorrect in what sense? —AldeBaer (c) 14:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

  "South Tyrol" is incorrect as a title 'cos the official name of the province is Provincia Autonoma di Bolzano - Alto Adige/Südtirol and normally is referred as Provincia Autonoma di Bolzano or Provincia di Bolzano. --Checco 15:00, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

  According to WP:NAME and WP:NCGN, the official name is not necessarily what we are to use. Both "ST" and "AA" are far more common in English speaking countries, which is what counts. So "South Tyrol" is definitely not incorrect at all. But I could agree on the official title "Autonomous Province of Bolzano" to get this dismal debate behind us. —AldeBaer (c) 22:14, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No opinion

• No opinion "Autonomus Province of Trento is more precise, but the current title is simpler. What is important for me is that this article, and also that on the Province of Bolzano (now titled South Tyrol), have a "Province of XXXXXX" title. --Checco 07:20, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

  Come on, make an opinion. Our debate/discussion is now at 1.5 vs 1.5. :P South Tyrol is another matter. I really think Autonomous Province of Trento is more correct, and it is a small change so it matches better the headings and first paragraph. Icsunonove 11:30, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

  If I need to choose, I'll prefer the current title. --Checco 14:12, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Note to whoever closes this: the title of this article has been the subject of edit warring over the past few months; please see the talk archive for more information. Dekimasuよ! 00:24, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, to clarify a bit, it was an admin Gryffindor who at one point unilaterally moved the page to Trentino. That isn't really related to this request to append Autonomous to the Province's name. thanks for checking in on us though! :-) Icsunonove 04:17, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Exactly, the only user involved in the edit war was Gryffindor, for nationalistic reasons.--Supparluca 07:20, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

He was warring all alone, without any opponents? Please remember that war is not like sex, it always takes at least two. —AldeBaer (c) 13:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

In fact, I believe it was a case of masturbation. Supparluca, would you agree? Sorry to be so crude. :)) Icsunonove 17:09, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.