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[edit] Miscellaneous
I was about to move this to James Moriarty, when it struck me that this is a fictional person. Do naming conventions also apply for fictional persons? Jeronimo
Probably not as much. Also, naming conventions allow (I think) for pseudonyms, stage names, and common names when these are overwhelmingly more known than the person's real name. -- Tarquin 10:15 Sep 13, 2002 (UTC)
I had no idea his first name was James. He's often referred to simply as "Moriarty," and if not that, then usually "Professor Moriarty." --KQ
- In "The Final Problem", we are introduced to two Moriartys: the Professor, whose first name is not given, and his brother, Colonel James Moriarty. However, when Holmes is recapping in "The Empty House", he refers to Professor James Moriarty. (He doesn't refer to the Colonel at all, so the most likely off-screen explanation is that ACD got his Moriartys mixed up; but some of the fan attempts at an in-story explanation are quite amusing.)
- And then, of course, there's the Professor's other brother, the station-master, mentioned in The Valley of Fear: as far as I recall, his first name is not mentioned, and the idea that he also is called James is merely the by-product of a particularly symmetrical fan theory.
- -- Paul A 3:05pm Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)
- Remember ACD was writing at a time when these sort of deep analysis of fiction was not considered (although Biblical Analysis is comparable). It's not surprising that Watson couldn't remember where his war wound was, let alone details of dead characters which were created for particular stories. CFLeon 00:30, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
We ought to keep him as Professor Moriarty as this is how he is better known. For the Doctor Who page, for example, we don't call him by his university name "Sigma Theta"
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- "Moriarty never actually shows his face in the Holmes canon"? Has anyone actually sat down and read "The Final Problem"?
- "He's often referred to simply as 'Moriarty'"? I'm convinced that no one since 1971 has been willing or able to crack open the book and read the printed words.
Lestrade 20:36, 21 September 2005 (UTC)Lestrade
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- The professor only makes a on-stage appearance in Holmes' flashbacks (and the letter he writes to Watson). Watson only sees him from a distance and doesn't know who he is at the time. In fact, until "The Empty House", EVERYTHING Watson knows about Moriarty is what Homes has told him. Several writers have speculated that Moriarty was invented by Holmes for various reasons. CFLeon 00:30, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
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- How does that tie in with Watson's mentioning Colonel Moriaty's pieces defending his late brother, which Watson gives as the reason for recounting the events of Holmes' death? Timrollpickering (talk) 14:03, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The Waterfall
I hope you don't mind me removing the picture of the waterfall; it seemed highly unnecessary and was kind of clamming the article up. --71.109.37.168 05:34, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Moriarty in TNG Mistake or No?
The article states ...when Geordi LaForge has the computer create a foe, he mistakenly asks it to create a foe "capable of defeating Data" instead of Holmes. Due to this error in phrasing...
However, the episode's article doesn't say it was a mistake in phrasing, neither does the Memory Alpha page.
Geordi purposely wants the computer to create an opponent capable of defeating Data, but does not realize the ramifications of the request until later. Prometheus-X303- 14:18, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- Geordi does not want to create an opponent the equal of Data. Dr. Pulaski contends that Data is incapable of solving a Holmes mystery that he hasn't read, and Geordi decides to test her theory by having the computer create an original Holmes adventure. The point isn't to create a mystery that would challenge Data, but to create one that would challenge Holmes and see if Data can solve it. Later in the episode, when Geordi and Picard are discussing what could've gone wrong, Geordi says something along the lines of, "I asked the computer to create an opponent capable of defeating Holm--shiznit! I asked it to create an adversary able to defeat Data." Seantrinityohara (talk) 20:45, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Moriarty a mathematician?
I think this "He is a man of good birth and excellent education, endowed by nature with a phenomenal mathematical faculty. ..." comes from a book called The Seven Percent Solution, which was not written by Conan Doyle. LDH 01:38, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
No, Google books finds this in "The Memoirs of Sherlock Holmes", by Doyle. LouScheffer 07:12, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Right you are. What I misremembered from the 7% book was something like, "Who has anything new to say about the binomial theorem these days?" :) LDH 10:38, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Dead?
In an unfavored and forgotten version, Moriarty and Holmes die falling off a cliff. Doyle was so tired of Holmes, so he decieded to kill him. The public didn't like it, so they forced Sir Arthur to make another version. So, Doyle makes Sherlock die in his sleep. The public allowed it. Search for it on Google, I heard this in my British Literature course. --69.67.230.24 03:10, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Interestingly enough, in another forgotten version written later by a friend of Doyle's, that scene is played out from Watson's view, where he finds Holmes attacking himself and punching himself. He subsequently realizes that Moriarity is nothing but Holmes himself. ~ PHDrillSergeant...§ 16:42, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] La jeune fille à l'agneau
I don't think Moriarty is actually stated as owning this specific picture; Holmes is just using it as an example of how expensive a Greuze is. This was a real painting which really did fetch the amount stated at the sale of the collection of the late James-Alexandre, comte de Pourtalès-Gorgier in 1865; it is mentioned in the 1911 Encylopædia Britannica article on Jean-Baptiste Greuze. Opera hat (talk) 08:59, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
