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Contents 1 Disputed content 2 Beefed Up Article with References etc 3 Anarchist v Anarcho-Capitalist Dispute 4 Example

[edit] Disputed content

Why does it say they're "hypothetical"? There is already private defense such as companies that offer security guards and body guards. There are also private armies, like the Minutemen in the U.S.Anarcho-capitalism 04:58, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Probably because it's totally bullshit that will, and could, never happen. Funny how the article takes it seriously... <eleland/talkedits> 08:29, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Pointing out existence of private companies a good idea to point that out including links. However Blackwater is NOT a good example since they commit all sorts of aggression. Also, private organizations that run around hassling and suing polluters are another EXCELLENT example of such companies. See reference to Spencer MacCallum's recent book on how it worked in Somalia (at least til US cronies invaded!)

Carol Moore 18:17, 3 December 2007 (UTC)User:Carolmooredc User talk:Carolmooredc

I have to say, I don't understand the point above - how is Blackwater USA not a 'Private defense agency'? They seem to meet the very definition of the word to me (yes, they 'commit all sorts of aggression', but I don't see where it says that stops them being a PDA). In fact, is there any real difference between this term and private military company (how Blackwater describe themselves), or is it just a question of who uses them? Terraxos (talk) 23:12, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Let me re-phrase that: the "ideal" private defense agency. Also, the assumption is PDAs will NOT work for any government agency but only for private parties and therefore will not receive any kind of government immunity from lawsuits or other protections if they screw up. Hmmm, I guess those points need to be made in the article! Carol Moore 05:17, 29 December 2007 (UTC)CarolMooreDC talk

Subsidies and immunities. Once either line is crossed, the "defense" provider is, by definition, NOT a PDA. JLMadrigal (talk) 12:26, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

You are correct and I added immunities under subsidies which it could be considered to be; or it can be put as separate benefit in second sentence. Carol Moore 23:00, 31 December 2007 (UTC)User:Carolmooredc User talk:Carolmooredc

[edit] Beefed Up Article with References etc

I couldn't help myself and ended up beefing up the article quite a bit and merging important concepts spread through the article into more concise sentences. I am curious as to who wrote the last paragraph which is info had not seen before. Someone please reference it or some day or other I'll delete it. Thanks Carol Moore 22:44, 5 December 2007 (UTC)User:Carolmooredc User talk:Carolmooredc

[edit] Anarchist v Anarcho-Capitalist Dispute

Obviously there is a dispute which you might bring here. While I see the point in each, I think it might help to present arguments to those also on the fence. Carol Moore 19:49, 29 December 2007 (UTC)User:Carolmooredc User talk:Carolmooredc

Perhaps "anarcho-capitalist" is too narrowly specific. But it ought to be understood that most people who consider themselves "anarchists," outside of the USA anyway, explicitly disclaim the idea of private corporations (or "agencies") of any kind. Most anarchists would laugh in the face of any "private defense agency" scheme proponent. Maybe we should use something generic like "In certain branches of anarchist political theory, a private defense agency is..." <eleland/talkedits> 20:05, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I keep getting reverted, but nobody explains their position. All but one of the authors mentioned here are explicitly anarcho-capitalist; one was an individualist anarchist and proto-libertarian. Again, it's totally off-base to say that "anarchist" political theory includes PDA's, when it's only included in right-wing anarchism. <eleland/talkedits> 20:28, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Example

Can someone please describe how something like this would work out? Consider the case where A was stolen of some of his crops. He hires detective B that points out C as the robber. How does A get C into courts and who executes the court decision? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.155.150.155 (talk) 17:48, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

A doesn't take C to court. A hires B to kill C. Since B honors the contract A placed on C's life, in an anarcho capitalist model all is well. This assumes A is richer than C, of course.