User talk:PJTraill

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Contents 1 A Welcome From EinsteinMC2 2 Talk pages 3 Prince's Club 4 Tennis club names 5 Talk:Euthanasia 6 Signing talkpage posts 7 New Real Tennis Wikia 8 Blank line 9 Poetics of space 10 Secure server

[edit] A Welcome From EinsteinMC2

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[edit] Talk pages

As far as this one goes, I wouldn't worry about it now as it's done. In general, I'm suggesting that any Talk thread should be left on the page where it was started and not moved even if it seems more topical on another page. If you want to alert a particular group of editors to a discussion elsewhere leave them a note. Talk discussions should not be deleted at all, unless they are personal attacks.

When the time comes to archive the page generally check: Wikipedia:How to archive a talk page. Anyone is free to do this; it's considered quite helpful actually, as waiting a minute for a Talk page to load is annoying. The only thing you shouldn't archive is a thread that still appears active. Marskell 16:33, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Prince's Club

If I remember correctly, there have been a few "Prince's Court"s. The current one in McLean, Virginia is relatively new. If I get a chance in a couple days I will try to find more info about the others -- any written material I have is not handy right now. — Eoghanacht ^talk 16:49, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

I have a couple of xerox pages that I think came from Noel, Evan Baillie and J. O. M. Clark. A History of Tennis, p. 129, Oxford University Press, 1924 (ISBN 071562380X), pp. 562-565. I do not have access to the rest of the book. The pages contain a chart of tennis court dimensions. There are three that contain the name "Prince's" with what little narrative description on the pages:

• Prince's Club, built 1890
• Prince's Club, Brighton, converted from a riding school in 1836
• Old Prince's, dismantled 1887

Sorry but this is all the information I have. Prince's Court at the International Tennis Club of Washington is apparently named after Frederick H. Prince, the main financial contributor to the club's founding.[1] — Eoghanacht ^talk 17:34, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

PJTraill 16:20, 16 April 2006 (UTC) See User talk:Eoghanacht#Prince's Club

[edit] Tennis club names

Do you have any objection to moving Merton Street tennis court to Oxford University Real Tennis Club?

I already compiled a list of active clubs at real tennis organizations. I think I have them all down correctly, but if any of the names there is wrong, please fix it. If you are interested in starting articles for the many "red links" there, please do so -- it would be quite helpful. — Eoghanacht ^talk 20:49, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Euthanasia

Hi PJTraill. I'm afraid I've just reversed your edits to the talk page of the Euthanasia article. I'm sure you made them with the best of intentions and I'm sure you put a considerable amount of work into it; it pains me to throw that away. However, the reorg misrepresented the argument, and seemed to delete a lot of ROHA's material at the same time. Talk pages are never works of beauty, and often hard to follow. However, any editing of other people's additions to such pages needs to be approached with great care. — JEREMY 08:23, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

PJTraill 18:00, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Please do not feel bad about reverting my edit to Talk:Euthanasia#Euthanasia Machine / picture. While I feel sure that I managed to preserve the entire discussion while separating it into 2 (or 3) threads, I see that the diff is pretty unilluminating. Maybe it is still possible to create a new thread to discuss the Youthanasia link, and put in there a summary of what was said under the picture-thread, but I don't feel up to it just now. The point is that in among the bile and snide remarks there were one or two useful remarks emerging.

I wish there were a sort of WTPML or CDML, a Wikipedia Talk Page or Controversial Discussion Markup Language, enabling one to conduct open discussions with some participants being awkward and yet retaining a clear and scarcely redundant structure. You would just see an assertion, plus annotations for here are disagreements/refutations/clarification/supporting arguments/comments, which could be opened up to reveal more assertions and possible annotations. Rewording (by the author) has to be possible, so each assertion has to be versioned, so annotations refer to some version of the assertion .. and what if an author pretends to reword while actually changing the subject .. it is not straightforward! But it would be wonderful to transform some of the loathsome rambles on the internet (Talk:Euthanasia was not even that bad) into usefully structured arguments.

Thanks for your good will. I do like the idea of some kind of automated talk page untangling system, or a way to record talk page discussions such that tangling is automagically prevented or tracked. (I'd even be prepared to contribute to a discussion of such a system, if you wanted to start one.) Until we have such a system in place though, I think we'll just have to put up with the current imperfect mechanisms and their inherent limitations. — JEREMY 06:40, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Signing talkpage posts

I've responded on Talk:Ten Commandments. Please note that talk page entries are signed at the end of comments, not at the beginning. It is also generally not adviced to insert interjections into other people's comments unless offensive material has been removed as per WP:RPA. JFW | T@lk 23:16, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Real Tennis Wikia

Wikipedia seems to be cracking down somewhat on articles that are not suitable for an encyclopaedia. For instance the Royal Melbourne Tennis Club article is marked for deletion. I've created a [Real Tennis Wikia] designed to be the font of all knowledge about real tennis. This is a good place to put information which may be not significant enough for Wikipedia's policies, not fully cited, and so forth. I wonder if you'd be able to give me a hand copying the information already on Wikipedia over there (lest it get deleted) and filling out more pages? You can catch me at: User_talk:JeremyHoward

[edit] Blank line

Hi there, thanks for your question about the blank line. There's actually an inbuilt blank before and after a section heading even if you don't put it there in the edit box. It's not about saving space, rather It's a wiki style thing not to increase the size of the blank because it breaks up the space more than necessary for the eye to follow when quickly reading and the page doesn't look "tight" and looks incomplete. I was under the impression that many editors routinely zap the outsize space for textual (and eye scan) "flow" reasons. (Similarly with lists in wikipedia and over use of c quotes – those big blue ones – in an article.) Get back to me if you find this is not the case. I'd be very interested. Julia Rossi (talk) 22:49, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to have burbled on – the words I was looking for are consistency in layout. : )

(copied from JR talk page) PJT, have a look at the version of the article prior to JR's line deletion, here. You'll see that the space above the section heading Carbon footprint of Christmas is greater than is the case for other section headings. JR was merely bringing the format back into line with the wikipedia manual of style. I note, in passing, PJT, that the URL you pasted was https://secure.wikimedia.org/ ... I'm a little intrigued as to the reason for using the secure site rather than the normal site. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:28, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Answers: User_talk:Julia_Rossi#Why_remove_one_blank_line and User_talk:Tagishsimon#Why_I_used_Secure_server. PJTraill (talk) 18:01, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Ah, thank you for explaining PJT – you're a programmer which suggests you have more considerations other than that of just editing (as me), so I think I get it now. Afaik the server space isn't what's emphasised to vol editors, but symmetry and stylistic consistency - in keeping with a printed text rather than a trailing thread style. My guess is there are many tweaks that take up server space but are not discouraged (whatever they may be) and space is seen as (virtually) unlimited as in not a priority. Which is why I had a wha...?? reaction. I like your poetry vs programming view though I see editorial style as function rather than poetics. Not being a programmer, could you explain the source/article difference? Are you actually operating a mirror wikipedia? I'm interested since this is the first time anyone's raised the issue. Thanks, Julia Rossi (talk) 21:52, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Poetics of space

Hi again, I just discovered your user page, and want to add that at one point I was interested in writing about space v structure and one of the theorists I attempted to critique wrote a book called Poetics of Space, which somehow suits you. : ) Regards, Julia Rossi (talk) 22:07, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Secure server

Seems like a good reason! I wasn't aware of that bit of advice. Now I am :) --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:40, 27 March 2008 (UTC)