Talk:Peter Tatchell
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Peter Tatchell was a good article nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these are addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. Reviewed version: September 5, 2007 |
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[edit] Bermondsey By Election
I've revised some edits introduced on Sept 6th as they were both unsourced and very partizan, not at all from a NPOV, I'd suggest that a lot of that section be taken out and linked back to the main article on the election, but I'm not a regular editor, merely both an admirer of Tatchell and a member of the LibDems.89.243.108.159 18:06, 13 September 2007 (UTC)MatGB
[edit] Green issues
Peter is spending a lot of time nowadays campaigning and speaking on green issues: see [1]. I know he is not very satisfied with the balance of the current article, in which little is written about this area of his work. I might add something in this regard later, but someone might beat me to it in fleshing it out. – Kaihsu 21:57, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
- I have now added such a section. The reference format needs adjusting. – Kaihsu 23:08, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] POV
Is this an article, or autobiographical hagiography? Its length is far disproportionate to its subject's importance and it is permeated with what is obviously Tatchell's POV on himself. IN particular, user User:Relata refero persistently vandalizes the article by removing any critical information or references. P.humanrights (talk) 17:08, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- I agree that the article is far too long, in fact rather tedious and quite unreadable. I would welcome any editing you could contribute to trim it down. With regard to User:Relata refero his/her edit history on the page seems well reasoned with references to Wikipedia guides in each case (such as repeatedly attempting to trim the summary section in accordance with WP:LEAD). I suggest if you are keen to keep the text involved (as per your most recent undoing of User:Relata refero's edits) you move it down into one of the subsections. I notice there are lots of helpful links added to your own talk page and I can recommend working through some of the guides to ensure your own edits stick. --Ashley VH (talk) 17:34, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- Please also note that the source for the letter referenced by Stay out of African LGBTI issues is a blog. Blog references are frequently removed by wikipedians following the guidance of WP:SPS. If you could find a published source (such as a newspaper or magazine) for the letter in question, as well as adding the reference in a subsection rather than the summary, this will be much more likely to stick. As an example you may find Duff, Oliver (2007-02-01). Outrage in Africa: gay rights campaigners target Tatchell. The Independant. Retrieved on 2008-02-07. a good alternative. --Ashley VH (talk) 08:47, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] References to petertatchell.net and WP:SPS
The article is highly reliant on copied text and references to www.petertatchell.net, Peter Tatchell's campaign website. As many of his published articles can be found in newspapers (such as the Guardian) or magazines (such as Gay Times) would it be considered contentious if I were to strip out these references in line with WP:SPS? --Ashley VH (talk) 08:47, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
- It would be better to replace with better sources or double up on refs if that's the issue. The subject of a biography is considered an expert on themselves. I almost never support removing sources as it's usually helpful to have extra confirmation on sourcing. Benjiboi 04:03, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] External linked articles with no in-line reference
Moved these here as they had been previously flagged but none has been changed to in-line sources so far:
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- Peter Tatchell on “Queen” Mugabe and the scary prospect of being an establishment figure Interview with gay news website PinkNews
- Peter Tatchell: Just Who Does He Think He Is? (concerning a 2004 biographical film by Max Barber)
- Lynn, Barber (2004-12-19). Pride and prejudice. The Guardian. Retrieved on 2008-02-01.
- Tatchell, Peter (2004-12-18). Guest Columnist Peter Tatchell examines the left's retreat from universal human rights. Labour Friends of Iraq. Retrieved on 2008-02-01.
- Radio interview on Little Atoms (2006-04-16)
- Tatchell, Peter. Fyne Times Gay and Lesbian Magazine, Tatchell Talking. Fyne Associates Ltd. Retrieved on 2008-02-01.
- -- Ashley VH (talk) 13:54, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Bermondsey by-election
There should be some comment in this article about Tatchell's insistence, during the 1983 Bermondsey by-election campaign, that he was not gay. This caused a furore at the time and should not be forgotten. It sheds an interesting light on his later zealous gay rights activism. Adding such information would not constitute vandalism, even though it may be unpalatable to Tatchell and his supporters to be reminded of this episode. 86.142.150.112 (talk) 09:52, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- I agree that if this were true it would be very interesting; can you quote an authoritative source? Ashley VH (talk) 15:17, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
