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[edit] Huge POV problems here
Lots of POV terminology and syntax/lexicon that's subtle maybe, and taken for granted, but obvious as an issue of accuracy to a non-Yank, OK? I'll be back; this is just my note about stuff like Vancouver Island being "given" to the British. By whom? The Songhees and Comox and Nuu-chah-nulth who lived there, or the fur trade colonists already there? It's not as if the US had some kind of ownership to "give" anything; I made one minor edit here of a similar context. From our perspective, using the same language, Southern Columbia was "given" to the United States. There's more here that needs work, as was also the case in Oregon boundary dispute, which at some point I still have stuff to do in. The "given" thing is only one of many things overleaf; but it's late and tomorrow's Monday.Skookum1 08:12, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Please see RE BC & Pacific Northwest History Forum re: Talk:List of United States military history events#Border Commission troops in the Pacific Northwest. If you think maybe I should also move some or copy some of my other stuff from NW history and BC history pages let me know; I never mean to blog, but I'm voluble and to me everything's interconnected; never meaning to dominate a page so have made this area to post my historical rambles on. Thoughts? Other contributions are welcome, i.e. in the nature of out-of-print materials and excerpts from sources/histories re given topics, including this treaty.Skookum1
- I have recently added a maps section to the resources sandbox; currently it has a series of NASA Aerial Earth images linked which may be useful in drawing a better map of the competing claims, focussing on the core area of the various boundary proposals north of the Columbia to its Big Bend, and a wider view could show the New Caledonia boundary (New Caledonia would have been "partitioned" the way the Columbia District was by the Treaty). Additions of other public-domain map resources are welcome, and I'll be adding considerably more from my own collection as well as even more once I get my scanner working again ;-| Skookum1 00:00, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Text of Oregon Treaty - best in Wikisource?
I have a photocopy of the treaty which would be useful to have online, if it's not already somewhere. It's not (that I know of) in Wikisource; I gather source documents are supposed to be posted there, not in Wikipedia per se - ?? Skookum1 00:05, 12 January 2007 (UTC) --Deucalionite 22:11, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, please put in WikiSource; it's online somewhere already, though in PDF maybe, haven't looked at it in awhile. Kinda hard to type the whole fam ding, though....have fun.Skookum1 (talk) 21:45, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] "Official" name in intro
I reversed the recent edit where a redlinked "Northwest Boundary Survey" was placed....but it, too, had an official name, and also a common name as well - Border Commission,in the form "Border Commission troops" (if that seems too vague, I think I've seen Northwest Border Commission but that was only in a history, not in a source) - and it's an article which does need writing), whether referring to the US or the British contingents. It was after doing that undo that I noticed the changes in the opening paragraph:
- The Oregon Treaty, officially known as the Treaty with Great Britain, in Regard to Limits Westward of the Rocky Mountains, Buchanan-Packenham Treaty and also known as the Treaty of Washington
It's pretty obvious that in Britian it's not known as "the Treaty With Great Britain etc." and this would appear to be the US Congressional or State Department wording; inherently USPOV. Is the British version only titled "Treaty with the United States, in Regard to Limits Westward of the Rocky Mountains", perhaps? Or is there a name that both use "officially". In diplomatic history, and in references in PacNW and BC history, it's usually referred to as the Treaty of Washington when not referred to as the Oregon Treaty or the Treaty of 1846. Here's my preferred wording, as I think the common Treaty of Washington usage should be mentioned before the cumbersom official name (whatever it really is) and/or the US/British variants of same:
- The Oregon Treaty, commonly known as the Treaty of Washington, also known as the Buchanan-Packehname Treaty and officially as [whateve] etc....."
Re the previous section, the WikiSource version if created should try and have the joint title, not an "official" title used by the one side only.Skookum1 (talk) 21:45, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
