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Contents 1 Edward Jervis Jervis, 2nd Viscount St Vincent 2 Francis Newdegate 3 Baron Bolton 4 Some style tips 5 Chandos Leigh, 1st Baron Leigh 6 See also sections 7 Categories 8 Selby Baronets 9 Blackett Baronets 10 High Sheriffs 11 Bitchfield Tower 12 Moving pages 13 Reference 14 WikiCookie

[edit] Edward Jervis Jervis, 2nd Viscount St Vincent

He hasn't done anything, other than being born into a noble/notable family. Thats why I tagged him with the NN. DesertSky85451 15:51, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I've untagged the article as NN, and retagged it as linkless, as very little links to it. I also made a few tweaks to make it read more clearly.

I'd appreciate it if you didn't accuse me of having a POV on the matter. I patrol all new articles and tag them for problems where I see problems. For future reference, you should read WP:AGF. DesertSky85451 18:20, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Francis Newdegate

I have moved this back to Francis Newdegate. Article titles are usually at most common names not at full names. And all the evidence that I am able to muster indicates that his name was Francis Alexander Newdigate Newdegate not Francis Alexander Newdigate-Newdegate. The surname is in all cases treated as "Newdegate" not "Newdigate Newdegate" and certainly not "Newdigate-Newdegate". I realise that these things can get complicated (e.g. John Rivett-Carnac) and that I may be wrong. But please take the time to explain and provide sources before moving the article again. Hesperian 12:02, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Baron Bolton

Hi and Welcome at Wikipedia :-). Sorry, I have reverted your changes on the article above. The articles of peerage titles should reflect the history of the respective title, the origin of the several creations (if there exist more than one), the title's background in example a image of its coat of arms, and of course short notices about the more important holders. However the infos you have added, belong to the article of the 1st Earl; they concern more to the individual person than to the title. Greetings ~~ Phoe _talk 18:25, 16 November 2006 (UTC) ~~

PS.: I think it may be interesting for you to read Wikipedia:Guide to layout and Wikipedia:WikiProject Peerage ... Best wishes ~~ Phoe _talk 18:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC) ~~

No worries, I was moving your text into Thomas Orde-Powlett, 1st Baron Bolton while Phoe was reverting it. We prefer to keep articles on peerage titles and the individual holders of those titles separate, excepting life titles and maybe titles extinct on the death of the grantee. Choess 18:46, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi, since the link of Thomas Orde-Powlett, 1st Baron Bolton at Baron Bolton was blue , I assumed that an article exists already there. But you have added only a redirect, and so I was wrong. Please excuse that I have not looked. Greetings ~~ Phoe _talk 18:54, 17 November 2006 (UTC) ~~

[edit] Some style tips

No problem, glad to help. May I offer some style tips?

• Years aren't usually wikilinked when they stand alone. However, when you have a date like "26 September" "2004", making two wikilinks (around each of the quoted phrases) allows it to be automagically recognized as a date, and it will appear differently depending on user preferences. (That is, you can view dates in American style, European style, ISO style depending on what you've set in "my preferences".) See the first few sections of WP:DATE for the details.
• Similarly, once you've made a wikilink to, say, County Donegal once in an article, it's generally preferred to leave the rest of the instances of "County Donegal" unlinked, unless you have a long article and the first link can scroll out of sight.
• Be careful with spaces and periods. If you omit the space after ]], the following word will get incorporated into the wikilink.
• We have categories by year for birth and death, so someone born 1569, died 1641 would be in Category:1569 births and Category:1641 deaths.
• For peers and baronets, the bolded opening line includes the full title: Richard Roe, 1st Baron Cockayne or Sir Richard Roe, 3rd Baronet. WP:PEER has the full set of guidelines.

You can always look in the page history of the pages I've cleaned up to get an idea of some of the other style conventions (WP:DASH, sortkeys in categories, and so forth). All that said, please don't let any of this hamper you in adding new entries. I don't want you to feel like you have to read fifty obscure policy pages before contributing. There are always people like me coming around to erect succession boxes and do cleanup and that sort of thing, and I don't really mind. I always enjoy puttering around the fringes of minor nobility and gentry, and I'm very glad to see these articles coming in. Yours, Choess 17:22, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chandos Leigh, 1st Baron Leigh

Hi, no problem. How I wrote in the summary, British peers (but not baronets) are generally notable. As author you should not remove a speedy delete tag, however you can add an additional {{hangon}} tag, which will contest the deletion. This will give you time to explain the reasons for the article on its talkpage - in this case you could have referred to Wikipedia:Notability (royalty). Greetings ~~ Phoe _talk 19:39, 4 December 2006 (UTC) ~~

[edit] See also sections

I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to remove some of the "see also" links where they're made redundant by the "succession box" at the bottom of the page. E.g., on Sir Robert Lawley, 5th Baronet, the word "Baronet" in the box at the bottom is linked to Lawley Baronets (which I see you created — thank you). On the other hand, since Francis FitzRoy Newdegate, 3rd Viscount Daventry is related to the Newdigate Baronets but not one of them (and so not linked to them in his succession box), I'm leaving the link in place there.

Also, what sources are you drawing your information from? It's best that you leave a "References" section at the bottom of the page listing the book you looked the person up in, a link to the website describing them, or whatever is relevant. Wikipedia policy is gradually hardening on insisting on references, and it's best to be prepared. Choess 16:40, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Categories

Heja, Category:Baronetcies is meant for baronetcies only, while Category:Baronets in the Baronetage of England, Ireland, Great Britain, Nova Scotia or the United Kingdom are special for the baronets itself. I hope I could answer your question. By the way is Chalonor Ogle (admiral), that one who sailed with Sir Francis Bridgeman, 3rd Baronet to the West Indies? Greetings ~~ Phoe _talk 19:20, 17 February 2007 (UTC) ~~

Thanks for your answer. Greetings ~~ Phoe _talk 20:47, 17 February 2007 (UTC) ~~

[edit] Selby Baronets

Hello. Selby Baronets, an article you recently created, does not properly cite its sources, according to WP:CITE. Please include a full citation for every source used. Thank you. Yours truly, Boricuaeddie^{Talk • Contribs • Spread the love!} 20:41, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blackett Baronets

Hi - Thanks I will either get rid of or fill out the redlink one. I put them in forename order to make them easier for people to search. That reduces the duplication with the bart list which is in precedence order. Regards Motmit 16:27, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

In fact - looking at the bluelink Barts they all need a bit of fleshing out as well. Motmit 16:31, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] High Sheriffs

hi, if you look at High Sheriff of Cheshire you will see I have found the definitive London Gazette announcements of High Sheriffs back to 1960 (with a few exceptions which are proving particularly stubborn). the announcements all cover Derbyshire as well, so feel free to copy the reference info over and add the relevant names. In theory it shoudl be possible to use this to find all High Sheriffs back tot he start of the Gazette in the 1660s. David Underdown (talk) 12:44, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Well it's self-interest really. Once I've got as complete a list of appointemtns as possible, I was going to add the appointments to all the relevant articles (creating the missing articles as necessary), so the fact you're likely to do the work for four of them makes my life that bit easier. I've been slightly wary of giving full residence info for the more recent ones because although it's obviously already publically avaialble, listing it in Wikipedia gives it a considerably higher profile. David Underdown (talk) 14:15, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

You might find it easier to hit edit on the Cheshire page, and copy the references direct from there - you haven't got the format quite right for the ones you've tried to do so far. The parameters can be slightly tricky, basically anything from before about 2000 doesn't need the notarchive=yes parameter set. David Underdown (talk) 20:08, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

What the notarchive parameter actaully does is control part of the url output by the template. Older issues of the Gazette on the website were put there by scanning in the published Gazette after the fact and the url contains the parameter &type=ArchivedSupplementPage or ArchivedIssuePage, for newer issues the pdf was created from the electronic data directly, and so the url contains just Issue or Supplement David Underdown (talk) 20:25, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

No accessdate is absoutlely necessary, but is I think recommended by the guidlines on sourcing. It helps if a link goes dead to trace the content. As you say it shouldn't be too much of an issue in this case (particulalry using the template) because we should be able to fix changes to the url structure centrally. David Underdown (talk) 21:00, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bitchfield Tower

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[edit] Moving pages

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you recently copied the contents of a page and pasted it into another with a different name. Specifically, you copied the contents of Bitchfield Castle and pasted it into Bitchfield Tower. This is what we call a "cut and paste move", and it is very undesirable because it splits the article's history, which is needed for attribution and is helpful in many other ways. The mechanism we use for renaming articles is to move it to a new name which both preserves the page's history and automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new. In most cases, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page. If there is an article that you cannot move yourself by this process, follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Requested moves to request the move by another. Also, if there are any other articles that you copied and pasted, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen. Thank you. Russ (talk) 19:00, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Also Ministeracres to Minsteracres -- in this case, since you were the only contributor to either page, it's not as critical, but it is still best to avoid doing this in future. Thank you. --Russ (talk) 13:06, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reference

Rayment-b is preferable to Rayment where appropriate, please. - Kittybrewster ☎ 11:55, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiCookie