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[edit] Civil wars

Someone just changed "In a time of civil war..." to "In the time of civil war..." Wasn't there more than one era of civil wars in Japan? Z Wylld 20:40, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

There is the part about Historical times after when the film apparently takes place, that part should really be somehow put in the plot. Andrzejbanas 21:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] recent edits

Hi everyone, and Colin4C in particular. Colin4C, I disagree that your edit just preceding mine is "better" in toto, and so I do not think it was appropriate to simply revert everything I did without any discussion. However, I am not going to argue about that, because it appears to be more a matter of stylistic preferences than anything else. As for your "TV guide" comment, I thought that was a bit snide; but substantively, my question is this: I have seen many Wiki articles about books, movies, etc. that include a "spoiler" warning at the beginning of sections summarizing the plot or story. This was why I deleted certain parts of this section here, because not being a computer person, I don't know how to add the warning. Is the "spoiler" warning not a standard device in Wiki? If not, I wonder why it is available at all. Cheers... Z Wylld (talk) 20:16, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Z Wylld! I was normally for the entire "warning!: spoilers!" tag that was available before. Spoilers tag was lated sort of "disowned" as by general policy that if you are going to read the section on "plot" or "characters" you should prepare to have the movie spoiled for you in some areas. It's just common sense. I didn't see your edits before so I can't say why they were edited otherwise. Onibaba is an article that needs work anyhow so feel free to edit more and ignore more snobby wikipedians, and wait for more standards answers to questions. Cheers. Andrzejbanas (talk) 23:00, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I have never seen a spoiler warning in any film encyclopedia or any other type of encyclopedia for that matter. The Encyclopedia Brittanica doesn't include any. I don't know why anybody ever thought it was a good idea for the wikipedia. In Branagh's 'Hamlet' the Prince dies and in Pasolini's 'Gospel According to St Matthew' the hero ends up nailed to a piece of wood. There...I've said it...I'm just so mean...Colin4C (talk) 14:28, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Andrzejbanas, and thank you for explaining the "spoiler" history on Wikipedia -- which was my question, after all.  :) Z Wylld (talk) 15:53, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. I agree it's strange why anybody would want to read it in the first place, but you dont get featured articles without it. Yojimbo501 (talk) 22:15, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Just to add, as a matter of fact, that the plot summary does not give away the ending of the film. Colin4C (talk) 08:29, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Now it does. Yojimbo501 (talk) 20:52, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

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I'm not going to write this articulately or even be too concerned about being perfectly semantically correct because It's late and this ain't my job!

The story section as it is now is insufficient. It must be explained early that Hachi was comrades at arms with the girls husband, and that in the beginning of the film he returns from war without him, his story being that they were both captured by the enemy and he barely escapes. (I think he says the enemy ultimately kills the husband, or maybe he only says he assumes they eventually kill him -- at any rate the mother is skeptical of not only this piece of the story but in fact the whole thing -- maybe Hachi killed the husband -- it cuts dramatically to the mother's face when he says "we couldn't tell friend or foe apart!" (or something like that) early on in his story. The girls are mother and daughter-IN-LAW.. The mother is interested in perpetuating her seed. Thus her interest in keeping the daughter chaste, in case her son returns. And in general the news of the son's death is what generates all of the mother's behavior. Partly she wants to keep the daughter chaste for the possibility of the husband returning, and partly it's just to sustain her own delusion that the husband might return -- a way to deal with her grief. And also she's just full of pain and wants to hurt someone else -- disrupt this young girls love and sex and young life. Also this generates and explains why she in fact wants to fight with the girl over Hachi... Partly to hurt the girl, and partly she's interested in perpetuating her seed -- her son's dead and she needs a new child or children. With her child dead, she just yearns for a new man -- note scene where she wraps her body around the phallic tree -- she needs penis, truly -- new kids to replace her son and her love for her son. Also should note the symbolism of the big hole -- there's conflation of the hole with the vagina and thus woman and sexuality -- this is established when Hachi is running around like a madman because he needs sex and he comes to the big hole and breaks down in front of it, stretching his hands out for it (i believe this happens -- anyway he does something with the hole that conflates it w/ a vagina.. plus i think there's other stuff that does this.. at any rate, it's a big hole.).. They fill the hole with dead bodies of lost warriors they kill for food to survive. Imagine the psychological tax of this behavior. The killing of stray samurai they were forced to do, and thus the war in general -- and the son's death it caused -- all this -- has poisoned the sexuality of the characters -- and has poisoned these women's lives in general -- the vagina hole gets filled with rotting dead bodies -- poisoned... okay really just throwing this down here; apologies.... okay, you know, I will watch the movie again, and read what i can find on it -- study it to some extent -- and I'll try to update this page myself in a few weeks. I appreciate that most of what I've written is not plot but analysis. I will be careful to update both the plot and the analysis sections separately and keep them distinct. --Eric Schmidt, 4:32 AM April 27th 2008

[edit] References

I made a Reflist tag and put proper references (albeit in offline form by accident). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yojimbo501 (talk • contribs) 01:36, 13 May 2008 (UTC)