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The second set of positions don't quite line up on my window. Is that a browser issue, or is the template slightly uneven? —ScouterSig 14:19, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lieutenant Governor vacancy

When David Paterson, who was the Lieutenant Governor, succeeded to the governorship of New York, the position of Lieutenant Governor was left vacant. It will not be filled until the results of the next gubernatorial election take effect. Pursuant to Article IV, Section 6 of the New York State Constitution, Joseph Bruno, as "temporary president of the senate", is currently performing the duties of Lieutenant Governor, except that if the governorship is vacated he will only "act as governor" (i.e., be Acting Governor) pending a special election. For these reasons and for the sake of clarity, I have edited the template to read that the office of Lieutenant Governor is "vacant". --SMP0328. (talk) 01:34, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

You are partly mistaken, SMP0328. The Temporary President of the Senate is Acting Lieutenant Governor, the office is NOT vacant. If Gov. Paterson vacated his office up to 3 months before the mid-term legislative election, then a new Governor and Lt. Gov. would be elected at that election, if after this deadline, the Acting Lt. Gov. Bruno became Acting Governor for the remainder of the term, unless he lost his seat in the State Senate or vacated otherwise the office. Then the Senate would elect another Temporary President, and the Speaker would be Acting Governor in the meanwhile. There are no "Special elections" anymore. Please read carefully again the section you quoted above, and think about it. Kraxler (talk) 19:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

A special election for an office is an election that takes place other than at the regularly schedule time. The next scheduled election for the office of Governor of New York is November of 2010. Any election for that office before that date would be a special election regarding that office.

As for "Acting Lieutenant Governor", the template deals with the offices of the New York State government. The office of Lieutenant Governor is vacant. That's why the "temporary president of the senate" is performing the duties, but not occupying the office, of Lieutenant Governor.

Finally, "Acting Lieutenant Governor" is original research. Original research is banned. Do you have any reliable source for referring to Joseph Bruno as "Acting Lieutenant Governor"? --SMP0328. (talk) 18:48, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Everybody, except pettifogging shysters, refer to Bruno as "Acting Lieutenant Governor", just read any newspaper. For bios of living people, major newspapers are Wikipedia:reliable sources. This is an encyclopedia, to be consulted by the general public, not a legal textbook. It should be accurate, but still understandable. On the contrary, that he is not Acting Lt. Gov. is YOUR PERSONAL opinion, and as such Wikipedia:original research, which is banned, as you very well know. Please do not revert my edit anymore, or I have to call for mediation in an edit-war. Kraxler (talk) 17:03, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

You obviously don't handle people disagreeing with your opinion very well. You've gone straight to insults and threats. If you want to call for mediation, then do so. I'm willing to reach a compromise. I feel that "Acting Lieutenant Governor" is not clear, because the New York State Constitution does not treat Joseph Bruno the same as it did David Paterson when the latter was Lieutenant Governor (see my previous comment). As for "major newspapers", they didn't all say "Acting Lieutenant Governor" [1]. By the way, I'm not a lawyer. --SMP0328. (talk) 18:08, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I thought it was clear enough, certainly he is not Lt. Gov., he is ACTING Lt. Gov., the word ACTING says it all. All four previous Acting Lt. Gov. under the current Constitution have been called so throughout. For not being a lawyer, you do some fine hair-splitting. Congratulations. Anyway, I have not written my opinion anywhere in the articles, I just cited reliable sources. My opinion is unimportant, and would be unencyclopedic, concerning the facts. I have stated opinions on the talk page, but I did never call other users "idiots" like you did. Kraxler (talk) 21:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

When did I call you an idiot? We're both trying to achieve clarity, but disagree about how to do so. --SMP0328. (talk) 23:29, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

You did not call me an idiot, you called other users "idiots" on the Talk-Page of your User-Page, in section "Vandals". It is not Wikipedia:civil. About this template, I did not start it, and it is of low importance, so I won't edit it anymore. If this controversy arises in any other article again, I will explain things there on the talk pages... Kraxler (talk) 23:13, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

You took my comment out of context. I said "The answer is that, unfortunately, there is never a low supply of idiots." I was referring to why an article had been a frequent victim of vandals. The "idiots" to which I referring were, and are, those who vandalize articles (hence the name of that section). Are you going to defend the honor of those who vandalize Wikipedia articles? --SMP0328. (talk) 00:55, 8 April 2008 (UTC)