User talk:Nyh

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Hello Nyh, welcome to Wikipedia. Here are some useful links in case you haven't already found them;

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[edit] Shoe Customs

Here in Sweden, we always take off our shoes before entering someones (including our own) home. Everybody does that. - Drogo 00.46, 16 Dec 2005 (GMT+1)

[edit] The speed of Wikipedia, even in the wee hours

Junk page created 01:07 Junk page noticed by two users and submitted for deletion 01:10 Elde 09:14, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of Taipei Message Boxes

The Taipei situation is different than most sister cities. The Taipei agreement is a formal and signed agreement of mutual promotion. That is what message boxes provide, associations or grouping that don't neccesarily belong in the main article. Each city is unique in that it is a Sister City of Taipei and has a connection to each other through the agreement signed. I might agree to help you revert the edits but, I am not yet convinced that your opinion is the correct one. Please contiue this discussion at my talk page. Even if your revert are complete, please still contact me as we have not yet reached an understanding, positive or negative towards the inclusion of the message boxes. I will give you ample time to respond before making a decision about your edits. However, if I am unble to contact you and thus a mutual understanding is not reached, I may add the message boxes back.

P.S. For future reference, deleting a message box is not a minor edit. :)

-JCarriker 04:11, Jun 8, 2004 (UTC) Talk

Unfortunately, I am taking a wiki-holiday as of today to concentrate on a non-controversial topic; in part because I too am tired. Perhaps the Sister City message box was not a good idea, then again maybe it was. I no longer have the will to explore the issue. If you want to revert the edits, I won't stand in your way. In the U.S. Southern dialect (over fifty million people speak this dialect) the phrase Come on is a derrogatory remark; it implies the postion and intellect of the person being adressed is inferior to the speaker/writer's. You may want to consider using different wording in the future.

-JCarriker 08:18, Jun 8, 2004 (UTC)

I'm sorry I gave you the impression that you had contributed to my decision to take a holiday. You haven't please don't think that you have. I informed you of the meaning in the dialect, because I hope you will take it into account. I have found that people at wikipedia are much more responsive to criticism when the wording is diplomatic, you can find suggestion at wikiquette.

JCarriker 17:48, Jun 8, 2004 (UTC)

I have decided to end my holiday prematurely because I reached a decison earlier than I expected. I will revert all of the message box edits except at Taipei tommorrow, I'm up too late now. I would like to apologize for loosing my composure. I cannot stress enough that I had already scheduled the holiday before your edits and that you were not the sole cause of it. The message box was not one of my better edits but, please bare in mind that in the past week I have lost electricity twice and faced straight line winds in excess 100 kph in four seperate storms. I've had to take shelter in a closet from a storm a total of 25 times in my life, 6 of which were in the past week.

Please, read wikiquette if you haven't already. It offers suggestions on wording and even why it is important to discuss an edit before reverting. The fault for my response lies with me. However, please consider that I would not have responded the way that I did if you had worded your edit summary differntly and hadn't reverted hours of work without discussing your concerns with me beforehand.

-JCarriker 07:41, Jun 9, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Hebrew language vs, "Canaanite language"

Please see:

Request for assistance in a conflict between users regarding Canaanite and Hebrew linguistics articles

Your input and views are needed. Thank you. IZAK 09:14, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Update: The above discussion was moved to Talk:Hebrew languages, your input is appreciated. Thanks. IZAK 07:16, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Reese Witherspoon edits

There is an anonymous user, currently operating from IP 205.188.116.20, who has repeatedly (at least 8 times, operating from various IP addresses, in the past couple of days.

I don't want to engage in a protracted edit war with this user, but I notice that you've also taken part in the reverting of this page. Can you offer any suggestions as to next steps that I should take, as I think the consensus is that the image link isn't appropriate.

Thanks!

Kenwarren 01:10, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)

yes put nude pix of male politcols as well check the history on the John Kerry election page

As far as I know, there is no culture where a presentation of genitals as a direct reference to a person isn't considered intentionally insulting and demeaning. So your point isn't well-taken in this case.

That said, in response to Nyh, it happens that the image is real. Reese appeared nude in the movie Twilight.

about the offensive links why do we want to offend readers are we going to than remove any "anti Bush" or "anti Kerry" or anti whoever. if the arguement because we can not a link to something that might "offended" readers who is going to decide what might offended people. Some people might be less offended by a nude pix of a star as oppose to a link comparing a current poltical leader to say Hitler ( I do not know if any of those exist currently) but I seem to recall there was a link to the smirking chimp on the current US Pres comparing him to a monkeying

[edit] Category:Israel-Palestine Geography

Apparently this seems difficult for people to believe, but I actually shifted to this category name out of an attempt at NPOV. The politics of the geography of Israel and the Palestinian territories are so charged that it seems impossible to separate them into separate issues. There are even so many people who outright deny the existence of Israel or the existence of Palestine. So, Israel-Palestine is a commonly-used neutral term to regard to the geographical region in general, as well as the overlapping social aspects (Arab Israeli towns, Jewish settlements, etc.). In the case of the category and its use in places such as Haifa, "Israel-Palestine" is a geographical term, not a political one. The political question is terribly terribly messy. - Gilgamesh 12:59, 22 July 2004 (UTC)

I moved my own discussion with Gilgamesh to User talk:Gilgamesh. Thanks for "hosting us", Nyh. --Woggly 06:55, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Votes

PLEASE, do not spam me with messages asking me to vote for deletion, adminship, etc. If I run across issues that I feel I know the details of and can get involved - I will. I will not vote for a random issue I am not involved in, just because you asked me.

[edit] Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Palestinian_terrorists

See Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Palestinian_terrorists

[edit] Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

• Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
• Multi-Licensing Guide
• Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

[edit] Constant improvement, or rot

Agree with you.

I think the only way is to have software support for stable pages (like those after features article). I have yet to see push from Wikipedians for such solution. Perhaps you may write article into Signpost about your experience. Pavel Vozenilek 19:31, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Jewish South African history

Hello Nyh: I haven't contacted you in a long time. Would you care to add to the small article Jewish South African history and make it into something substantial? Be well. IZAK 10:05, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Cities with significant Arab Israeli populations

Hi Nyh: Please see the Vote for Deletion (vfd) for Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 December 4#Category:Cities with significant Arab Israeli populations. Thank you. IZAK 12:04, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Rejection of Tanakh

Hello Nyh: Please see and vote at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 December 12#Category:Hebrew Bible at [1] where it is beeing suggested that the word "Tanakh" is "not neutral", and I am trying to explain to them that it is in keeping with NPOV to convey the way Judaism uses certain terms to describe the Hebrew Bible/Tanakh. Thanks. IZAK 18:01, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] merge request

Please add your opinion on merging with regard to these two articles:

Yad_Sara | Bezalel Academy

Thanks, --Shuki 21:33, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I don't like unilateral actions and don't accept passivity as approval either. I like the idea of consensus building and abhor people assuming that 'they know what's right'. Thanks anyway --Shuki 15:51, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Orphaned fair use image (Image:Donabate.png)

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[edit] Arbor Day

I would like to see this page explaining the reason this day is called "Arbor" day, from Latin Arbor = tree (I think). Why wasn't it given an English name? Why has this Latin name stuck? Nyh 09:07, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I know nothing on this topic in particular, but I presume it's because it sounds more sophisticated. -- Zanimum 17:54, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of link on Anti-Monopoly

First let me just say that under the external links policy, I agree with the removal. But just so you know, University Games is the current publisher and distributor of Anti-Monopoly. I'm sure someone thought it was helpful to include the link to that publisher. The specific link to the game might have been more useful ([2]), but it's neither here nor there in my opinion. --JohnDBuell 16:26, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Celebrities Sign (chinese zodiac)

I think it is better split all the lists of famous person in the zodiac signs and merge in a new article with a list of famous persons of all signs (separeted by sign/element), something like the List of games.

What do you think? answer in Talk:Snake (zodiac) Daniel Leite 05:34, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lotus Notes

I reverted your edit. You are incorrect when you say that multi-platform support is recent. Notes has been multi-platform for almost its entire 20+ year history. Early clients were DOS, Windows. Mac was added in 1993. OS/2 PM was added in either 1991 or 1993 -- I honestly don't recall. X Windows (SCO Open Desktop Unix) was added around 1996. Obviously many of these platforms were dropped permanently, and even Mac has not been supported in all versions, but the underlying cross-platform GUI layer in the software has remained in the code all the time. The Linux client was recently added, and Mac was only recently resuscitated after a long period of neglect(and there are still key features missing on the Mac, no matter what IBM says). The Linux client was enabled by adding SWT as a target for the existing multi-platform GUI layer. In the Notes 8 "standard" client now in beta, all the supported platforms will be using the SWT target, but the old multi-platform layer will still remain in place so that the "basic" version of the client will be using the native Windows target.Rhsatrhs 01:22, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Point taken regarding the given examples failing to demonstrate the fact stated that cross-platform compatibility contributed to usability problems with Notes. But the solution is to give better examples, not to strike the statement, because it is a valid statement. Regarding Linux, I respectfully disagree. IBM could have just thrown in the towel years ago, and made the product Windows only and made it conform to Windows UI conventions, but they didn't. They may not have moved fast enough to satisfy you and others of the Linux faithful, but they kept the cross-platform layer in the code at least in part in order to keep the option open for supporting Linux when it achieved sufficient usage in their customer base to justify the effort, and that makes the mention valid in this context. As for the difficulties you've had with WINE, well... IBM never claimed to support it, so yeah it was frustrating, but you can't really blame IBM for the problems. Blame them for not being aggressive enough in their support of client-side Linux, in not getting the Notes port to Linux done sooner, and I would agree in principle, but I think that the architecture that they've arrived at for their Linux support today through the use of SWT is far better than what they could have done five years ago; and had they done the port earlier they might have ended up saddled with an inferior architecture for a long time into the future, because once it's done it's really hard for them to make major changes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rhsatrhs (talk • contribs) 02:31, 3 May 2007 (UTC).

re "How are any of the examples in this section (or any complaint from the "Lotus Notes Sucks" web page, or whatever) related to the fact that several years after Notes was already popular it was ported to the Mac, or whatever?"

First of all, Notes was cross-platform before it was popular. It was ported to the Mac in 1993, when the number of licenses sold was still well under a million. And before it ran on the Mac, it was cross-platform for Windows and OS/2. Secondly, several of the specific features listed in the specific section we are talking about are indeed directly related to Notes' cross-platform compatibility; and these things are considered to be usability issues by many people. E.g., key bindings and view selection behavior are both mentioned, and in the section. In both cases, IBM chose to make Notes work the same way on all platforms, instead of going with the preferred conventions and native widgets of each platform, and while I don't recall if either of those are called out on the Notes Sucks page, they are representative of IBM's fundamental choice that it is more important for Notes to work the same way on all platforms than it is to conform to the standards of each platform, and that choice is very significant in explaining how Notes is different from certain other mail clients -- most specifically Outlook.

re "nothing in the way Lotus Notes currently looks like can be said to be caused by changes did for it to support Linux."

You misunderstand me. I am not saying that the changes made for Linux have anything to do with it. I am saying that the stuff that they kept the same is the issue! IBM could have just thrown in the towel on cross-platform support years ago, and they could have adopted all the standard conventions of the Windows UI, switched over to standard widgets. They could have re-written lots of code from scratch and put an end to lots (not all) of the criticism of their UI design. But they didn't. They kept the cross-platform UI layer. They kept the philosophy that it was more important to make Notes look and act the same on all the platforms than it was to conform to the preferred UI conventions of each platform. Rhsatrhs 01:30, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

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