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Contents 1 Headline text 2 Harry Potter 3 Sources 4 List of films 5 Buffy 6 American bias 7 Oddities 8 NPOV? 9 Problems with article 10 Transamerica 11 Links 12 The Naked Mile? 13 Angels and Insects 14 Quest for Fire (La Guerre du feu), 1981 15 Listcruft 16 Nudie Cutie 17 Logical disconnect

[edit] Headline text

[edit] Harry Potter

Can someone cite that there was nudity in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire? I don't believe there was, however it did receive a PG13 rating and could have had extremely brief nudity. I haven't found anything on it at the moment so I'll put a citation needed mark on it. 71.225.125.176 11:57, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

Is this true? How do we know? Rich Farmbrough 22:53, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

As for the actresses who've never done nude scenes (which was changed to "stated they won't do nude scenes"), my main sources are Mr. Skin (from emails they've answered and info available at the site) and The Bare Facts Media Guide. Cryptico 02:04, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] List of films

A listing of films can also be found at [1]. I've requested to expand this section.Dandelion1 04:16, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

How notable do these films have to be? Does Vanishing Point count? ~ Booyabazooka 05:08, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Also, full nudity seen in Interview with the Vampire. ~ Booya ^Bazooka 20:19, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

There are hundreds of movies with nude scenes. So, to be included in the list here, there should be something unusual about it. — Walloon 20:22, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Then I suppose we should change the line: "Few American films show full frontal nudity."?

Can we propose guidelines for films that should be included in the "Famous nude scenes" section, before we list every nude scene ever made? — Walloon 02:08, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Buffy

There are only a handful of situations (maybe three or four) where characters in Buffy were portrayed as being nude, all very brief, entirely non-sexual. Eg, situations where characters return to human form after taking animal form (werewolf, rat, etc). PG-rated, not R, absolutely nothing visible. It's pretty irrelevant to discussions of actual nudity on TV or in film, as in HBO productions or NYPD Blue and so forth. I wonder if this isn't the creator of the AfD-nominated "Buffy in the buff" page trying to repurpose this material here. -- Curps 13:35, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

• Your view is not shared by the thousands of persons for whom the inclusion of such scenes--some of which do involve actual, as opposed to suggested, nudity--was, and remains, controversial, especially given the fact that the show broke ground in this area by aiming such content at an audience that the networks that aired the series described as "teen and young adult." This groundbreaking character alone of such content makes a reference to the nude scenes in Buffy the Vampire Slayer well worth a brief mention in an article that deals, in part, with nudity on television shows. One person's bias and prudery should not determine what is relevant for Wikipedia readers' use. If anything, this issue should be referred to someone who can make an objective consideration of whether this content is appropriate for inclusion in this article. Please cease and desist from vandalizing Wikipedia articles, Curps! -- gpscholar

Please cease and desist from referring to an editing dispute as vandalism, and from making assumptions about my alleged bias and prudery. You are making a mountain out of a molehill, as you attempted to do with the unencyclopedic Buffy in the buff article. The "nude scenes" showed no body parts... far less "suggestive" than a Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition or Baywatch. There was no controversy at the time because, basically, there was nothing to see, the scenes lasted no more than a few seconds, and the context was entirely non-sexual. Please provide references to show that there was in fact a controversy (in the media or elsewhere), or to show that this topic is anything other than your private (possibly shipping) obsession. -- Curps 13:55, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

If you continue to vandalize my contributions, I will request action be taken against you. It is one thing to discuss an issue; it is another entirely to take it upon oneself to delete material with which one disagrees simply because he or she disagrees with its inclusion. Vandalism is not an acceptable avenue of "discussion," nor is your personal attack concerning my concern regarding the legitimacy of including the material on nude scenes in Buffy the Vampire Slayer in this article's section concerning nudity on television shows. Please cease and desist from vandalizing Wikipedia articles.

By the way, the scene in which Angel returns from the hell dimension into which Buffy dispatched him shows Daniel Boreanaz completely nude. Likewise, Amy Madison (Elizabeth Allen) also appears completely nude in a Buffy episode. I don't recall there being a comparable amount of bare flesh in any Sports Illustrated magazine photograph. Once again, you seem to recall (or to share) only those parts of the truth that advance your own view.

Because you asked, here's some information concerning the controversial nature of including nudity on Buffy, a show aimed at teen and young aduklt viewers:

1.25.02 - From the January 25th issue of Entertainment Weekly: SEX AND THE SLAYER. UPN should consider slapping a TV-MA rating on Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and quickly. First, Willow got a not-so-subtle rise out of her lesbian lover, Tara, in the musical episode, and a recent sex scene between Spike and Buffy was so hot, the net was forced to insert computerized images over the nudity. What's with the explicitness? "Maybe there's some small psychological factor, like 'let's see what the new dad will say,'" says exec producer Marti Noxon of UPN. "Truthfully, the characters are getting a little older and we're now doing things that were not as permissible when they were teens. The whole premise is that many of us in our 20s had relationships where we couldn't figure out what we liked about them except that the sex was so amazing." Although the show is surprising the hellmouth out of fans with lurid sex scenes, ratings have yet to surge. After a ratings spike upon the show's UPN debut, Buffy settled back into its WB averages (an anemic 9 share in vieweres 12-34). "We could do an all-naked Buffy and still get a 7 share," admits Noxon. "It's so elaborate in its mythology, I just don't know how easy it would be for new viewers to catch up." Well, partially nude shots of Gellar and Marsters won't hurt.

(http://buffy.tktv.net/news.html)

There are some Buffy fans on the net who are objecting to what they see as the graphic sex and implied nudity. . . .(http://www.javascrypt.com/spikeschip/text/realm-2.txt)

Again, stop characterizing an editing dispute as vandalism. Wikipedia isn't a vehicle for your personal Buffy shipping obsessions. In the unencyclopedic Buffy in the buff article you tried to create, you obsess over a scene where Buffy is stated in the storyline to be nude (after transforming back to human form from temporary animal form) but all you ever see is her head peering over a bookshelf. This is hardly considered a nude scene by any usual standard, or worthy of mention. In the few actual "nude scenes" which you obsess over, no body parts are ever visible: no nipples or buttocks or cleavage or anything whatsoever... the scenes last a few seconds and the actors are carefully posed with knees and arms hugging the chest. The most you see is the side view of a hip. The context is non-sexual (humans returning to human form sans clothes after having been temporarily transformed into animals or returning from some other dimension), and there are only two or three such situations in the entire episode history. You do see far more in the Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition or even Baywatch. Regarding controversies, I meant actual controversies along the lines of Janet Jackson at the Super Bowl or the controversy over NYPD Blue back in the day, not some breathless fan magazine article about "gosh, Buffy and Spike are so hot together". There simply was no controversy in the media about "nude scenes" in Buffy. -- Curps 14:48, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean by "implied nudity" and "graphic sex"? When two characters wake up in bed together, it's obviously implied that they're nude, but if all you see is their shoulders it's not a "nude scene". And if sex takes place offscreen, it's not exactly "graphic sex". The series was basically PG-13, there was nothing in it that was R-rated. -- Curps 14:48, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Please note the Wikipedia:Three revert rule, which you have in fact broken now. -- Curps 14:51, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

There are other examples of discontent with the nudity on Buffy, which you are free to locate yourself, using the search engine (or the library) of your choice. I have more to do than act as a researcher on your behalf: enlighten yourself.

Curps, anyone interested in your "discussion" has only to look at the history page of "Nudity in film" to see how many times you have deleted the material concerning nudity on Buffy. Deletion is vandalism, not editorial debate or discussion. Please cease and desist from vandalizing Wikipedia articles.

I edited one fewer time than you, since I didn't break the WP:3RR rule. Please look up the meaning of "vandalizing" in the dictionary. Enlighten yourself indeed. -- Curps 15:43, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Curps, you are wrong on this one. You should write something of your own and stop meddling with other people's stuff. What you're doing is ridiculous, and, yes, it sure sounds like vandalism to me, too. Stop crying about what you don't like or agree with--everything is not about you.Tornadoalley 02:59, 6 April 2006 (UTC)tornadoalley

[edit] American bias

This article needs to be rewritten with a much less blatant American bias. There is already another article which covers this subject anyways at Nudity in American television.NorthernThunder 06:10, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I think the bias issue may need to be solved by changing the title of this page to Nudity in American Film and Television. The Nude Scene stub article that this once was may need to be restored as a separate page. It would simply describe a nude scene, without having any culturally-specific detail:

A nude scene is the broadcast depiction of real human beings wearing less clothing than is legal, or more rarely, just considered indecent, in public. Nude scenes are controversial due to the fact that they go beyond the standard culturally-specific boundry regarding appropriate modesty in clothing.

— Xavier Forrest 20:23, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oddities

I've removed this:

Broadcast television is strictly controlled in the US, and that strictness has led to oddities such as gameshows about stripping where the contestants never fully undress and instead wear numerous layers of clothing.

Because it's useless, unless you actually mention the name of the gameshow! ~ Booyabazooka 06:53, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

There have been several, and the names of them aren't all-important, just trivia.

[edit] NPOV?

"Sociologists and evolutional psychologists have suggested that violence serves as a substitute for sexuality in cultures that are sexually repressive, which gives greater meaning to the mantra: make love, not war."

This smacks of being POV to me, not because it yells at the reader about one side per se, but because it doesn't seem to belong. It would fit perfectly and be quite neutral on a page about evolutionary psychology or american sexuality, but on this page, it's too out of place to be doing anything but making a point.

I'm marking the section POV until the paragraph can be rewritten or removed. --70.59.82.118 21:25, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

It's the point of view of some scientists. So? It's also the point of view of a lot of people that the earth isn't flat.

[edit] Problems with article

This article has so many articles, that I felt compelled to create and account just to deal with it. 1. The article is written from an American viewpoint and this is an international encyclopedia. 2. Out of the four pictures on this page, three of them are women. The only male picture looks as if it will soon be removed. 3. Four pics are enough for this article, but some set amount of pics should be set, because if one isn't it will likely become nothing but a page of naked pictures. 4. The famous list seems to me like it might also grow exponentially. Would it be possible to move the scenes in the list into the text? — Naraine 21:54, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

PS I've tried to make the image selection less sexist, by adding an equal amount of male and female pics. I'm still reading image policy but I want to say why I removed the Kate Winslet pic instead of the others. 1. The old pic is in the public domain, and does not count as a free use pic and the Nicole Kidman pic is from a movie that generated controversy and is distinct from the other female pic. This way the pics balance out together as 1 male and 1 female rear pic and 1 male and 1 female frontal. I would also like to propose that we limit the pics to there current number and representations. I'd appreciate any help making the article have and international standpoint. — Naraine 22:24, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Transamerica

Nothing seems particularly notable about its nude scenes from the description. Any particular reason it's on the list? -Elmer Clark 09:25, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Alright, I'm removing it. -Elmer Clark 05:15, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Links

I've removed all the inline external links from the "notable nude scenes" section, as they all either did not work or linked directly to copyrighted photographs, neither of which (obviously) are really appropriate. -Elmer Clark 01:12, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Naked Mile?

A straight-to-DVD sequel has no part in a list of the history's most significant nude cinematography. Unless anyone disagrees, I will delete this mention. — Ellissound 01:55, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

The Naked Mile was once a popular event, but the advent of digital video cameras, in conjunction with the Internet, killed it. This is an interesting example of cinema defining social behavior. The Naked Mile could be discussed in the article, but it should be presented with this angle in mind - how a person's nudity depends on context and cinema offers different contexts.

[edit] Angels and Insects

Angels and Insects was rated R upon its American release, not NC-17. — 24.145.232.29 00:46, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quest for Fire (La Guerre du feu), 1981

Was notable in that the actors and actresses almost all appear nude, and several appear nude for most or all of their screen time. See: imdb including lead actress Rae Dawn Chong, who is nude (aside from body paint) for her entire screen time. Certainly it had as much or more on-screen nudity than many of the contemporary films listed. What is the criteria for listing? Need there have been controversy over the film? --Leperflesh 23:43, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Listcruft

The movie list is truly excessive. I cannot imagine that there are more than maybe a dozen films that had significant impacts to the concept of nudity in film; it's senseless to list every movie that shows any nakedness. I think that every entry in this list needs some explanation of what makes the nudity significant, and should have a minimum of one reference to back that up. My suggestion would be to move the whole list to the talk page, and add entries back individually when they are improved. Thoughts? ~ Booya ^Bazooka 16:15, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that is a sensible idea, and came here independenttly to say the same thing. A list of famous nude scences should contain example such as woman in love but not examples such as Quadrophenia. For nudity to be famous is should have been talked about at the time. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 18:49, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

The proliferation of lists in Wikipedia is a phenomenon I've seen debated on many pages. Either we wants lots of extensive lists or we don't--and the yeses are winning. The public seems to demand them, so what's wrong with giving them what they want? If we stamp them out, then other Web sites will provide them and draw away our readers. There is nothing inherently wrong with an encyclopedia having lists--they all do, pretty much. If I'm doing research on nudity in film, I'm going to read encyclopedias. I'll want lots of examples. Why not provide them for such researchers? Am I saying that every entry on this list must stay? No, you might have a case for deleting maybe 5% of them. But that won't satisfy you 2, it seems. What we could do, though, is move the list to a separate article, maybe "List of movies with nudity", with a cross reference in this article. That is often done in cases like this. Korky Day 23:54, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

A new page has been created and this discussion continues here. Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 19:06, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nudie Cutie

The term "nudie cutie" redirects to this page. This was a particular type of rather tame pornographic film in the early days of the industry... yet the page contains no visible information about this genre. 124.183.191.222 16:19, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Logical disconnect

Just because The Simpsons Movie is rated PG-13 and has brief nudity does not mean that it was rated PG-13 because it has brief nudity. Same with South Park. Wackojacko1138 (talk) 01:37, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

There is a remark that nudity often needs to be obscured to prevent a film from receiving an NC-17 rating; in spite of the nudity these films have a less strict rating.--Patrick (talk) 09:56, 23 January 2008 (UTC)