Talk:New Zealand Sea Cadet Corps

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Contents 1 Merge, Rename etc 2 Template 3 Merger proposed (TS Bellona) 4 Merger performed + "units" article 5 Fair use rationale for Image:ISCA logo.gif

[edit] Merge, Rename etc

Should the article Sea Cadet Association of New Zealand be merged with New Zealand Sea Cadet Corps? j-beda 17:24, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

There has just been a lot of work done just recently to split and merge the old article "Sea Cadets". This proposed merge makes sense. Unifying See Cadets, linking to Sea Scouts, and tying in Navy Leagues (and similar guiding hands) globally will make for an excellent set of multi cultural multi-faceted articles. If these are the same organisations, go ahead and merge, redirect and disambiguate. I created the article form which the merge should happen simply because that was the title in the old Sea Cadets page, not from any knowledge of the organisation. It was a technical exercise in editing, not a research project. There was a lot to do, and I was bound to make an error somewhere. :) Fiddle Faddle 17:54, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm nervous of performing this merge myself as a "text editing exercise". I feel it requires a content expert. There is extra history in the source article, but it requires factual checking Fiddle Faddle 17:59, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Should the final article not be called (moved to?) Sea Cadet Corps (New Zealand) as a naming convention since pretty much all such corps are called by the same generic name? Fiddle Faddle 18:03, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I wrote most of the NZCF article, and the SCC and NZCC articles. To say the SCC and SCANZ is the same thing is incorrect, the SCC is an arm where the youth, (and cadet officers) are part of, while the SCANZ is the arm where the parents are in a national Association of supporting the SCC. Similar ones exist for the NZCC, (CCANZ).

The History of the SCC could be merged in (and I was about to add it, I’m currently rewriting the NZCF article now and including it in there) so imo we could merge them.

In fact when I created the article I was not aware that it was on the Sea Cadets page, or I would have merged sooner (I think it must have been added later)

I am oppose renaming it (SCC (NZ) as NZSCC fits better imo Brian | (Talk) 23:19, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

This is where you, as a content expert can do the job so much better than others. If the articles are to remain separate, great. If they should be merged also great. In either case please make sure Sea Cadets (disambiguation) is brought up to date with whatever the outcome is. It probably also makes sense, since you are opposed to "Sea Cadet Corps (New Zealand)" to create that as a redirect (or disambig?) page to the right point

Looking forward to the rewrite - they are never the easiest thing to do.

Fiddle Faddle 06:12, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm struggling a bit to understand the diff between NZSCC and SCANZ. Will you be making this crystal clear in the article(s)? I think I see that one is a supporters' group and the other is the force itself? Or am I barking up the wrong tree? Fiddle Faddle 06:19, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Correct, one (SCANZ) is the "supporters' group" while the other (NZSCC) is the "force itself"

I'll have a look in the morning about merging/expanding them Brian | (Talk) 07:31, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

The SCANZ article should be merged into the main NZSCC page. However the SCANZ article should be kept and refer to the suppot group rather than SCC. I as a Sea Cadet see this as the best way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.167.131.194 (talk • contribs)

nod, that's we are doing. Brian | (Talk) 05:00, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

PLEASE BE AWARE, AS A MEMBER OF THE SCC IN NEW ZEALAND, FIRSTLY, IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO MERGE NZSCC PAGES WITH SCANZ PAGES AS SCANZ IS A SUPPORT ORGANISATION FOR THE NZSCC NOT A PART OF OUR ORGANISATION. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.68.88.74 (talk • contribs)

We know that, if you read the above you will see that that has been disused, just no ones got around to doing it yet Brian | (Talk) 00:58, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

My vote is for separate articles - if SCANZ is anything like the Navy League of Canada, then it needs its own article. If nobody replies in the next few days, I'll ditch the "merge" tag. Quadra 22:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template

I am trying to get someone who understands templates to knit us a "Naval Cadet" template. See Wikipedia:Requested templates for the specification. Fiddle Faddle 22:58, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

We have one :) Template:Naval cadets Easy to use and in use. We also have a new category Category:Naval Cadet Organisations both easy to use. The template ensures the pages are entered into the category Fiddle Faddle 22:39, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Nice :) Brian | (Talk) 23:42, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merger proposed (TS Bellona)

[edit] Merger performed + "units" article

As discussed, I moved the "Units around the country" section into a separate article New Zealand SCC units, and merged the "TS Bellona" content there. I also tried to remove unencyclopedic content and shorten the text where appropriate. Still the article needs a lot of cleanup; but I think I should better leave that to the experts. --B. Wolterding 15:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll have a look, and see if I can make any useful changes. Liberator 02:56, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

i've only had a very quick look so far, but can I suggest you look at renaming the article in accordance with Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(abbreviations)#Acronyms_as_words_in_article_titles ? Use of an Acronym in the Name is confusing. I work in IT and recognise 'SCC' as 'Southern Cross Cable' among other things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BlakJakNZ (talk • contribs)

As you like, renaming the page is easy. Does everybody agree with "New Zealand Sea Cadet Corps units" as the title? --B. Wolterding 07:05, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Article has been renamed now. --B. Wolterding 16:11, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:ISCA logo.gif

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BetacommandBot (talk) 19:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)