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[edit] Social democratic??
How can this party claim to be a social democratic party when it is part of the right wing alliance???--Oddeivind (talk) 08:36, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- Exactly as the Italian Socialist Party was social-democratic when in coalition with Christian Democracy and the Italian Liberal Party in the 1980s. --Checco (talk) 14:45, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- But then the coalition was more centrist. The alternative would have been a cooperation with the communists. As far as I can see social democracy is to the ledt of the centre. I am a social democrat myself, and I wouldnt even "touch" Berlusconi with gloves. Besides,there are parties in the centre-left coalition which are probably to the right of social democracy. It doesnt make sense that they should ally with the right. But I read somewhere that this is the party of Bettino Craxi and that he has close personal ties with Berlusconi (ties that are connected to the mafia??) Is this correct? --Oddeivind 11:17, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- Undoubtely Forza Italia is born by the union of Christian democrats, liberals and social democrats. Berlusconi himself was a Socialist voter. The party is basically centrist, but there are some groups who are clearly social-democratic (by German or British standards) and also the party Vice President, Giulio Tremonti, is more a social democrat than a liberal and indeed he was a former Socialist too. The NPSI is one of the heis of the late Italian Socialist Party and is a social-democratic party. It is close to Berlusconi's Forza Italia, but connections with Mafia are only speculation. Some members of FI (as some members of every Italian political party) had been accused of being connected with Mafia, but this has nothing to do with the alliance of NPSI with Forza Italia. I think that you are mixing different issues and making a lot of confusion! Let me know if there is something else you don't understand. --Checco 12:38, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- But Forza Italia belongs to the right wing alliance, right? If you look at the left wing alliance, you have people that are to the right of socail democracy, like Romano Prodi, who used to be a member of the old Christian Democratic Party, although probably on that partys left wing. And Forza Italia cooperates with people who used to be fascists. To me Forza Italia seems clearly to the right of the Christian Democrats. About the new Democratic Party, one of its predecsessors, Democracy is Freedom-Daisy, had as one of its founding members the PPI, which itself descends from the Christian Democrats. When I take a look at the new party, it seems to be a mixture of social democracy, social liberalism and christian left. Forza Italia seems to be more of a Thatcherite party. What about those who used to vote for the old Socialis Party. I would guess they vote for the left wing alliance. --Oddeivind 13:07, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- Forza Italia is not Tatcherite at all (sigh for me) and is the major Christian-democratic party in Italy. AN members used to be neo-fascist (in a very moderate and democratic way), but as they founded AN they are a group of moderate national-conservatives. Romano Prodi was a member of DC but this does not mean that he is not a leftist: many mebers of DC were clearly to left from PSI. The former Socialist voters vote overwhelmingly for Forza Italia, even if some of them support small SDI and some others PD. You may find interesting to read Italian Socialist Party#Diaspora and especially note 1. Also most votes of DC now vote for Forza Italia and UDC: indeed these parties have more than 35% together in opinion polls, while DL took barely 10% of the vote the last time it run alone. PD is a mixture of social democracy, Christian left and social liberalism, exactly as DL was a mixture of Christian left, social liberalism and social democracy (the order is important). You may find interesting also Forza Italia#Factions, List of Forza Italia leading members by political origin and it:Provenienza dei politici appartenenti a Democrazia è Libertà - La Margherita. --Checco 13:20, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- But Forza Italia belongs to the right wing alliance, right? If you look at the left wing alliance, you have people that are to the right of socail democracy, like Romano Prodi, who used to be a member of the old Christian Democratic Party, although probably on that partys left wing. And Forza Italia cooperates with people who used to be fascists. To me Forza Italia seems clearly to the right of the Christian Democrats. About the new Democratic Party, one of its predecsessors, Democracy is Freedom-Daisy, had as one of its founding members the PPI, which itself descends from the Christian Democrats. When I take a look at the new party, it seems to be a mixture of social democracy, social liberalism and christian left. Forza Italia seems to be more of a Thatcherite party. What about those who used to vote for the old Socialis Party. I would guess they vote for the left wing alliance. --Oddeivind 13:07, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- Undoubtely Forza Italia is born by the union of Christian democrats, liberals and social democrats. Berlusconi himself was a Socialist voter. The party is basically centrist, but there are some groups who are clearly social-democratic (by German or British standards) and also the party Vice President, Giulio Tremonti, is more a social democrat than a liberal and indeed he was a former Socialist too. The NPSI is one of the heis of the late Italian Socialist Party and is a social-democratic party. It is close to Berlusconi's Forza Italia, but connections with Mafia are only speculation. Some members of FI (as some members of every Italian political party) had been accused of being connected with Mafia, but this has nothing to do with the alliance of NPSI with Forza Italia. I think that you are mixing different issues and making a lot of confusion! Let me know if there is something else you don't understand. --Checco 12:38, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- But then the coalition was more centrist. The alternative would have been a cooperation with the communists. As far as I can see social democracy is to the ledt of the centre. I am a social democrat myself, and I wouldnt even "touch" Berlusconi with gloves. Besides,there are parties in the centre-left coalition which are probably to the right of social democracy. It doesnt make sense that they should ally with the right. But I read somewhere that this is the party of Bettino Craxi and that he has close personal ties with Berlusconi (ties that are connected to the mafia??) Is this correct? --Oddeivind 11:17, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
