Talk:Neverland Ranch

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Contents 1 Uh... 2 Groups of children 3 Cleaned up article...again 4 Clean-up of article 5 Mention of accusations? 6 Removed unsourced statements until they can be verified 7 Time to remove unreferenced tag. 8 Entertainment Today is hardly a "News Program" 9 Sale

[edit] Uh...

Long before Michael Jackson made Neverland his home, he raped more children.

Hardly seems encylcopaedic to me, regardless of whether or not it is true.

[edit] Groups of children

The accusations has nothing to do with the groups of children; among other things, I fixed that.--Patrick 10:54, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cleaned up article...again

I have cleaned up this article for the second time in less than a day. Much of the information presented in this article before my first attempt at revision was not written very concisely and wasn't very readable. I attempted to fix this yesterday, but virtually all of my edits were reverted and the article went back to being cumbersome and confusing. I have had to cleanup the article again. As it stands now, the article is quite neutral and certainly far easier to read and understand. I would invite other users to discuss just exactly what, if anything, is specifically wrong with my edits before simply reverting them again. I don't have an agenda for or against Jackson, I just want to make the article easier to understand and I want it to comply better with generally accepted Wikipedia and grammatical standards.--MatthewUND 23:10, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Clean-up of article

I attempted to section the content, copyedit the text, identify needed citations, and added an infobox for quick reference. Avi 03:27, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

This article is written like a B- term paper. Doesn't anybody on this site have their work proofread before posting for the whole world to see? I cleaned up a few of the more offensive gramatical errors.

[edit] Mention of accusations?

What, on Earth, is the point of adding a mention of accusations against Michael Jackson in this article? The accusations themselves have very little to do with the home, so what's the point of adding them? Stiles 04:59, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

• This is no longer relevant. I dealt with the issue. Stiles 22:03, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed unsourced statements until they can be verified

I removed two statements that had no sources. They are:

1. Golf carts are provided as transportation and fun rides.
2. Its geographic location is 34°44′22″N, 120°5′36″W.

Unless someone can provide references for these claims, I will leave them here. I have made great effort to provide sources almost every single thing in the article, and I felt that these statements should be removed until they can be verified. They are not of great importance, but it would be the right thing to do. Stiles 18:50, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Patrick provided the following reason on the talk page for putting back #2: "coords can simply be verified by following the map links." He also added a reference for the golf cart comment. That makes this discussion point obsolete, because it has been resolved. Stiles 04:48, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Time to remove unreferenced tag.

With all the effort I put in to reference almost every single thing in the article, there is no need for the unreferenced tag. Since there is almost nothing left that is unreferenced, the tag is not appropriate. For the rest, others will have to help out, because what I couldn't reference, either doesn't have a reference or can't be found with adequate research on the Internet. I know Patrick put back the unreferenced tag, though seemingly for no reason. I'll remove it once again unless there's a reasonable objection. Stiles 06:44, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

It did not put the tag because I thought it was needed, it came with a reversion of a deletion of content on the grounds that it was unreferenced. I removed it now.--Patrick 06:52, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Entertainment Today is hardly a "News Program"

I know that this is a minor issue, but I hardly consider "Entertainment Today" to be a legitimate "news program". This suggests that Entertainment Today is like the Nightly News or other trusted sources when it is less than reliable. Perhaps Entertainment Today should be cited as any other television program. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.119.62.12 (talk) 21:38, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sale

I added this latest on sale of ranch, since he is no longer the owner and the auction is off: On May 12, 2008, a foreclosure auction for Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch was cancelled after an investment company, Colony Capital LLC purchased the loan. Jackson was in default on the £ 12 / $24.5 million he owes on the 2,500-acre.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk, Jacko ranch foreclosure auction off Jackson stated: "I am pleased with recent developments involving Neverland Ranch and I am in discussions with Colony and Tom Barrack with regard to the Ranch and other matters that would allow me to focus on the future."take40.com, Jackson sells Neverlandap.google.com, Neverland Ranch foreclosure auction canceled --Florentino floro (talk) 07:32, 13 May 2008 (UTC)