User:Neil/gc

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This is my gamecruft page. Clearing out unencyclopaedic gamecruft from Wikipedia is difficult, because each game has its own special interest group, who will strive to keep all their lovely cruft. RuneScape, Warcraft, Command & Conquer, Halo, Resident Evil, Unreal and Final Fantasy are the worst offenders. (Note that the Final Fantasy, Pokemon, and Star Wars Wikiprojects are fairly sympathetic with efforts to help clean up cruft.) I started with C&C, and I'm almost done. If I have pointed you in the direction of this page because you have tried to use the 'but THESE articles exist!', then please feel free to add them to the appropriate section, and I'll get round to getting them AFD'd too.

The chief argument is that Wikipedia is not a strategy guide - WP:NOT. These articles almost always fail No Original Research and Verifiability, and also the guidelines at WP:CVG.

Arguments to keep are usually along the lines of 'but it's NOT a gameguide' (yes, it is), 'why don't you delete these then you stupid hipocrate!' (spelling intended, and I'll get to it), and 'this information is useful'.

To the last argument, apply Calton's Theory of Gamecruft:

Divide the world into precisely two groups: those who own and play Game X, and those who don't:

Those who own Game X: already have the game manual which contains all this information. Actual usefulness of article for this group: none.

Those who do not own Game X: have no possible use for, need of, or interest in, the information in the article. Actual usefulness of article for this group: none.

Total segment of world population that this article is actually useful for: none. The only possible group left would be those who lost their manuals and those who pirated their copies of Game X: the former group is very tiny and the latter group - whatever their size - can find assistance in their piracy elsewhere.

I don't understand why some people like their cruft so much.

Another argument is that if I want to see gamecruft game guide garbage gone, why not episodes of TV series? Or characters in shows? Answer: A list of weapons used in Halo is not the same as an episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer or Doctor Who. It is the same as having an article on List of T-shirts worn in Buffy the Vampire Slayer or a List of Doctor Who's scarves. (Note - if these ever turn blue, I give up.)

Articles about characters in a game isn't so bad. Many games have a storyline (or storylines) and plots, just like a book or a movie. I have no issue with this. As long as it's referenced (which virtually none of them are) and not original research (which a lot of them are), cool.

It's the huge lists of every weapon/map/location/unit/item/spell that need to be expunged.

Note there may be duplication in some of these lists. I don't care enough to spend my time sifting through it and removing the duplicates. If you want to do that, be my guest. But do note as this page is in Protospace, I will freely revert anything I don't agree with. This does not mean I own this page (nobody 'owns' any page of Wikipedia), but I will be as wilful and ignorant of any viewpoints I disagree with. If you dislike that, tough. There's nothing stopping you making a copy of this to your own userspace and adding what you like.

DO NOT KEEP ADDING CHESS ARTICLES. Go make your point elsewhere, this is for video game cruft.

Contents 1 To be investigated 1.1 Other crufty sources (templates, pages, etc) 2 Edit 3 AFDs thus far 3.1 Deleted 3.2 No consensus 3.3 Keep 3.4 Active 4 Deleted game guide pages 4.1 Watch them (keep them red) 4.2 Redirected articles 4.3 Protected Against Recreation 5 Dump 6 Useful links

[edit] To be investigated

All these pages are currently full of original research and fan cruft. Possible solutions range from cleanup to deletion. Proto::► 23:35, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

• Final Fantasy weapons
• Cheating in Counter-Strike
• List of weapons in Half-Life 2
• Metal Gear (weapon)
• List of characters in Golden Sun
• List of Dynasty Warriors characters
• List of gangs in Grand Theft Auto series
• List of Final Fantasy VII characters
• List of characters in Fire Emblem (Game Boy Advance)
• Burnout Revenge/Legends Soundtrack
• Weapons in Call of Duty 2
• Gameplay of StarCraft
• Robots in Deus Ex
• Weapons in Deus Ex
• List of Warcraft characters- Look all the crufty Warcraft characters in one list.
• Yuri (Command & Conquer)
• Chronoshift
• Other factions of Command & Conquer
• The Brotherhood of Nod
• Other characters of Command & Conquer
• Characters of the Brotherhood of Nod
• Characters of the Global Defense Initiative
• Other technology of Command & Conquer
• Technology of the Brotherhood of Nod
• Technology of the Global Defense Initiative
• Brotherhood of Nod storyline
• Global Defence Initiative storyline
• Global Defense Initiative
• Technology of the Allies (Red Alert series)
• Kane (Command & Conquer)
• Mammoth Tank
• Tiberium
• Pillar of Autumn
• List of Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic characters
• General Sturnn Dawn of War cruft
• Blood Ravens Dawn of War cruft
• List of Cars in Project Gotham Racing 3
• Content cut from Half-Life 2 *sigh*
• Vehicles in PlanetSide
• Spaceships of EVE Online
• Amarr
• Minmatar
• Half-Life 2 controversies and criticisms

[edit] Other crufty sources (templates, pages, etc)

• Template:RE series
• Warcraft. Just, all of it. Places, items, everything, Merge or die, source or die.
• Template:Homeworld
• Template:Deus Ex
• Category:Star Wars video game characters - With some prompting, the Star Wars project may be willing to help merge these
• Template:StarCraft pretty much the whole thing
• Template:Halo as template Starcraft above.
• Much of {{Mario enemies}}
• Template:Doom series Enemies, other and companies
• The entirety of Template:Early Universal Century Mobile weapons - all are cruft and need to be looked at.

[edit] Edit

- These sections of articles may need removing/editing. That being said, a section isn't so bad. The existence of a whole article is bad. A brief description of the gameplay of a game, referring to various weapons used, etc, may well be of encyclopaedic interest.

• Ace Combat 5 section Aircraft, Other aircraft, Weapons, and List of missions
• Act of War: Direct Action section cheats
• BioShock section Enemies
• Battlefield 2 sections Infantry classes
• Bomberman DS sections Items & Multi-player stages
• Burnout Legends section Race Tracks
• Burnout Revenge section List of Tracks
• Burnout 3: Takedown section Locations
• Burnout 2: Point of Impact section Tracks
• Call of Duty 2 section weapons
• Commandos sections Characters & Minor Characters
• Counter-Strike section Player models
• Devil May Cry sections Weapons & Ranking
• Devil May Cry 2 section Weapons
• Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening section Weapons
• Doom section cheats
• Doom 3 section Weapons & List of levels
• Duke Nukem 3D section Weapons on the PC version
• Doom 3 section Weapons & List of levels
• Dune 2000 sections General Units & Special Units
• Final Fantasy Tactics section Job classes
• GoldenEye 007 section Weapons
• Grand Theft Auto (video game) section vehicles
• Half-Life sections Chapters & Weapons
• The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth sections Units, Buildings, Upgrades
• Max Payne sections Plot & List of Max Payne weaponry
• Medieval: Total War section Buildings and Units
• Myth (computer game) sections Units & The Dark
• Need for Speed: Underground 2 section Cars list
• Pokémon Trading Card Game (video game) section The Legendary Pokemon Cards
• Quake sections Bosses and monsters,Weapons,Items and powerups, & Episodes and levels
• Rise of Nations sections Buildings & Military buildings
• Rome: Total War sections Roman factions, Barbarian factions, Carthaginian factions, Greek factions, Eastern factions, & Egyptian faction
• Shadow Warrior section Weapons
• Shining Force section Plot
• Shogun: Total War sections Unit Types & Diplomacy Units
• SimAnt section Creatures
• SimEarth section Phyla
• StarCraft: Ghost section New and changed units
• Star Wars: Battlefront sections Vehicles & Playable classes
• Stronghold (2001 game) section Units
• True Crime: New York City section Cops and gangsters
• True Crime: Streets of LA section Cops and criminals
• Unreal sections Creatures, Weapons, and Vehicles (as in locations, not usable)
• Unreal II: The Awakening sections Weapons and Deployables
• Unreal Championship section Weapons
• Unreal Championship 2: The Liandri Conflict section Rosters & Weapons
• Unreal Tournament sections Weapons & Translocator
• Unreal Tournament 2003 section weapon
• Unreal Tournament 2004 sections Weapons & Vehicles
• Unreal Tournament 2007 sections Weapons, Teams, & Vehicles
• Warcraft III section Plot
• Anarchy Online Professions & Character Creation
• Star Wars: Empire at War
• Battle Realms everything after the overview needs to go

[edit] AFDs thus far

[edit] Deleted

[edit] No consensus

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/RuneScape armour - DRV also no consensus. The upside was that it got all the OR and some of most gameguidey stuff removed. The Project RuneScape people love their cruft, a lot.
• Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/De_dust / Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Counter-Strike maps - second AFD resulted in them all being redirects - result!
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask masks, weapons and items
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of multiplayer gametypes in Halo 2
• Halo space weapons dual-nom AFD - Come back to this one; promises were made to merge these
• Warcraft character massnom - Needs to be rerun in smaller AFDs
• Empires: Dawn of the Modern World Gameplay - Later redirected
• Robots in Deus Ex
• Resident Evil glossary
• Point of Existence

[edit] Keep

• Songs from The Legend of Zelda series AFD
• Philosphers AFD and Patriots AFD, a pair of fictional conspiratorial groups in the Metal Gear Solid series - Philosophers (Metal Gear) later merged to Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
• Deus Ex weapons articles - kept as a merge, still needs to be merged
• Rocket Arena (nomination withdrawn)
• Movie Battles
• InfiltrationMod
• Pokémon game mechanics - inexplicable keep, will re-AFD sometime
• Pokémon types - re-AFDing at moment, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pokémon types (2nd nomination)

[edit] Active

Oh, just go and look around. Too many to update.

[edit] Deleted game guide pages

[edit] Watch them (keep them red)

[edit] Redirected articles

[edit] Protected Against Recreation

[edit] Dump

Possible dumping ground for cruft - if they want it, that is:

• GameInfo
• Encyclopedia Gamia
• StrategyWiki
• The Wikibooks computer and video games bookshelf is being deleted. This is because Wikibooks has more sense than Wikipedia. You could also go dump it at GameFAQs, but then you'd lose your pretty pictures, which is why all this gamecruft got vomited onto Wikipedia in the first place.

[edit] Useful links

• User:Dragons_flight/AFD_summary/Controversial - most of them appear here
• Wikipedia:WikiProject_Computer_and_video_games/Deletion - some appear here if a project member spots them