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[edit] Proposed move
To Negro League
- Support Logical, article should be named after official name. American League, NHL all follow same convention. EdwinHJ | Talk 00:22, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
- Oppose The parallel to American League, NHL, etc., is false; There wasn't a Negro League, there were multiple Negro leagues. The parallel should be with Minor league baseball, and if you're going to change/more the name it should be to Negro league baseball, not Negro League. Carter 18:09, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
- Oppose Many of the teams and players now considered to have played in the "Negro Leagues" played on a variety of teams, not all of which were in a league. There were also a variety of leagues now grouped under the blanket term "Negro leagues"; it is more a historical term than it is an official title of a specific organization. --Xinoph 21:51, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
- Oppose Major League baseball, Minor League baseball, Negro League baseball. Consistency. Wahkeenah 06:22, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. violet/riga (t) 11:40, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
- The 'l' in Negro League or Negro Leagues is usually capitalized --maybe only because Negro is a proper noun, 'Negro Leagues' being a proper noun by association. In my experience the plural is common and the singular uncommon, as an adjective.
- On the other hand, I don't believe major league or minor league should be capitalized except in proper nouns such as Major League Baseball (uppercase 'b'). --P64 17:20, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Alleged Ties to Organized Crime
I was doing some reading on Jackie Robinson and the president of the Dodgers, Branch Rickey implied that Negro League teams had mafia connections, or were being used as a way for criminals to commit money laundering. Is there any truth to these allegations? If so, it should be added to the article.--Jsonitsac 00:27, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
- True - I don't know. This is part of the history of the color line insofar as it was an excuse for signing rather than purchasing Negro Leagues players; dealing only with the players rather than with the clubs. Of course that isn't the only reason why it may belong in the article. --P64 17:20, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Several owners of eastern Negro League teams (notably Gus Greenlee and Alex Pompez) were involved local "numbers running" (which, as Negro League historian John Holway has pointed out, is now run by the states and is called "The Lottery") as a means of financial survival; Greenlee's team, the Pittsburgh Crawfords, were founded with numbers money. While is was indeed illegal and was frequently run by organized crime, none of the men were mobsters. Pompez was strong-armed into giving some of his profits to the Mob (IIRC, the Dutch Schultz mob), but he was not an inside member. The recent Hall of Fame committee addressed this, and still considered him worthy of admission. Branch Rickey's allegations against the Negro Leagues were a way of deflecting the accusations being made against him for stealing Negro League players without compensation to their teams.--Couillaud 16:14, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] National Colored Base Ball League - when folded? Article in conflict
The header paragragh says this league folded after 2 weeks in 1887, but further down the article it lists champions for 1888. Which is it? Sorry, I don't know the correct tag to mark this article as having conflicting information. CPAScott 15:33, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
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- And it specifies "one month later" for the first team to fold, and so on. --P64 23:52, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
- This makes no sense in context so I have moved it here.
- The Giants and the Keystones took first and second place in the first two years, with the Giants crowned as inaugural champions in 1888.
- Beside the league folding(true), the list of league members does not include the Giants(?).
- The article will be improved by some specific references, perhaps for the 1860s and 1880s. --P64 17:20, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sections
The nine chronologically ordered sections are now subsections of History, ten in number after splitting Integration from End of the Negro Leagues.
Content from the paragraph "During World War II" (the latter paragraph of the old introduction) is now written into subsections World War II and End of the Negro Leagues.
Several sections reveal the probable method of writing: multiple people inserting sentences or paragraphs one by one. --P64 20:06, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] heyday, plateau
Here is content deleted from the old Introduction and not written into any section.
The Negro Leagues probably reached their heyday in 1926. Players were making good money, they had a league of their own and some of the best ball players ever to swing a bat were entertaining in front of packed stands. Newspapers around the country carried stories on favorite hometown teams and their rivals. The success of the Negro Leagues continued into the 1930s and early 1940s.
Reaching the heyday in 1926 conflicts with reaching the (highest) plateau in WWII. This may be boilerplate or cruft. Maybe it should be written into the history. (I can't assess either version of the history, only recognize the platey-crufty writing.) --P64 20:14, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Images
No matter where I move the images, they cover up some text. Anybody else have any luck? Specifically the Octavius Catto picture. --AW (talk) 16:54, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
- That's a common browser-specific problem. I have no problem with Internet Explorer 7. You may want to enquire at WP:VPT. —Wknight94 (talk) 17:29, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
