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As you can see my edit history, I am trying to re-establish some good contributions at some very polarized articles and this si the same posting inviting a more open approach. Not so sure what is happening here with seemingly good suggestions being deleted back and forth. I find these changes useful and I believe they should be available to users. I guess that would be the fair thing to do. I think if the mentioned individuals believe that the log history given is inaccurrate, they should rather clarify it here rather than reversing everything. At least, I agree with the suggestions in the main block of the text as worthwhile and they are now my contributions. Hope to see some consensus here.
[edit] Readers Cautioned
The National Security Council (Milli Güvenlik Kurulu (MGK) in Turkish) is a powerful body that unites the top civilian and military leaders, and issues state recommendations with the democratic government upon all matters deemed pertinent to the policies of the Turkish Republic. The creation of the MGK was an outcome of the reformation of The National Defense Supreme Council that had been in service since 1949 which was originally formed as The Supreme Defense Assembly in 1933 and was formally re-established in December 1962 under the organizational structure and name of The National Security Council in accordance with the 1961 Constitution. The National Security Council, composed of the Prime Minister, Chief of the General Staff, Deputy Prime Minister, Ministers of National Defence, Internal Affairs, Foreign Affairs, Finance, Transportation and Labor as well as Chief of Staff and Commanders of the Army, Navy, Air Forces and Gendarmarie under the chairmanship of the President of the Republic, assists the cabinet of Council of Ministers in decision making process related to national security issues and providing necessary coordination. The Council takes its decisions with majority vote. Decisions for recommendations made by voting have no binding power. In the absence of the President, the council would meet under the chairmanship of the Prime Minister. Depending on the agenda, Ministers and experts from various institutions would attend to the meetings of the Council upon Prime Minister’s invitation. Duties of the National Security Council were listed in the law under main headings on the issues of the advisory decisions pertaining to the formulation, establishment and implementation of the national security policy and ensuring the necessary coordination in order to preserve the existence and independence of the State, the integrity and indivisibility of the country and the peace and the security of society. Duties of MGK
[edit] Ryulong is a Vandal
Ryulong has just vandalized legitimate metatagging and additions put in the main article today 10/7/06. He also blocks his user page against any discussion or talk to find out why he vandalizes.
Bertilvidet and Khoikhoi: your vandalism on MGK – National Security Council page and some other Turkey or Turkish related subjects have nothing to do with the educational informative spirit of any encyclopedia. This is not a media of propaganda or personal blog or commentary forum. I encourage you to post and support factual information, not self-serving self-satisfaction material.
This page is not objective it has an athmosphere against the military. In fact military isn't the only power they claim here even military is vulnerable to some state based organisations which all countries have and different than the armies of West, Turkish army supported democracy in Turkey also the coups was against undemocratic goverments (1961 Democrat Party , hidden cencorship, agression against minorities),in 1980 low level civil war between leftists and nationalists (also a president couldn't be elected),in 1996 the constitution was under danger from governing parties also islamic terror was rising (Prime minister Erbakan said "Sheriat will come somehow but will it be sweet or will it be bloody") also it has been prooved that Erbakan and his companions have stolen money from Parties reserves and the aid they collected to help bosnian muslims who were being genocided by christians.So is there anyone to tell that in these situations someone in your country would do nothing if so your country is already dead...
- Dear anonymous user. Thank you so much for aknowledging our contributions to Wikipedia. If you have any concerns about inaccuracies in this article, please adress them specifically here on the talk page. I believe the article both presents the way the military regards its own role in the Turkish society, and its criticism. Please refrain from deleting well sources text, but again raise possible concerns here on the talk page. Every single coup has its own article, that all deserve further expansions. We should not discuss in detail the coups here. Bertilvidet 17:39, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Objectiveness Required
I wonder why wikipedia pages related with Turks and Turkey are tried to be disputed. Just try to be objective!
Reverting legitimate edits arbitrarily and obsessively with disrespectful disregard and without intellectual commenting on the changes that are attempted by us is vandalism that certain administratiors seem to conciously support. They dont even let these commenta show in their user and talk pages so the others be informed and be the judge. Otherwise patronizing comments on others like "trolling" only indicate they are corrupt. Restored a third-party supportive reference link to Turkey page that was vandalized by Khoikhoi, an anti-turkish propagandist, who deleted the link under the false pretense of removing spam while knowing that it was not. Usually, his disruptive actions are backed by some other "contibutors" of smilar behaviour and mentality, such as BertilVidet who does not allow anyone to improve his screwy opiniation expressed in the National Security Council article (he can't even spell right) and Aldux, and sporadically another odd Greek, Kurd or Armenian anti-turk, who remove corrective edits that were done in good faith to restore objectivity and knowledge content, to gain stronger standing in their minds, only to wipe each other's butt. I encourage you to consider why on earth there are such so many edits in all Turkey and Turkish wikipedia articles again and again by such people when there is none in their nationality & ethnicity related articles entered by any Turk, ever.
- Disregarding the personal attacks, I kindly, once again, urge to raise on the talk page if there is substantial criticism to the article. As you can see from the article's history page, this article has been subject to quite a lot of vandalism recently. Bertilvidet 18:41, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Yes, every entry to change to content matter by others have been reverted by Bertil Videt without any clarification on the content matter entered therein, therefore indicating vandalism by Bertil Videt and Khoikhoi. The "history" section has not been directly taken from any website language and yet that has been just vandalised by khoikhoi as bertilvidet asked him to do so. Also, the entry section is the knowledge that the body itself make known to public and you should change the sentences while preserving the content rather than blantanly reverting them which is also vandalism on your part. Also, there is nothing limited about the english website on the council and you keep humiliating them by putting a phrase of " turkish link with limited english content". So, I am reposting my changes for you to make constructive editing on them if you would like to change the sentence structuring alone or with your sidekick khoikhoi without vandalising or deleting my suggestions and entries.
- You are copying directly from the Turkish government website—that is unacceptable. Why do Wikipedia articles have to reflect only the view of the government? —Khoikhoi 19:05, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
This article reads more like a home-work essay to get grades rather than an objective informative article. Please compare the content to the National Security Council articles for the USA and Israel. I hope you will agree to establish a parallel balance beyond personal ambitions. Hope you tolerate the minor linking edits I suggest today. Thanks.
[edit] Mega-tagging
I just had to revert an anon editor that inserted loads of tags in the article (including a rather funny one suggesting that the article is a user page). It is not clear to me if it is vandalism, or if there are serious concerns behind the tagging. If the latter is the case, please go step by step and adress the concerns here on the talk page. For instance, I am not aware of disputes over the factual accuracy - but if there are, please raise them, so we can improve the article. Bertilvidet 07:09, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Clean up tagging
The author and third party readers are referred to the page history, article history and user history pages regarding why this article is more of a user page, reflecting the views of one single individual who prevents others from legitimate edits and good-faith entries. In respect to his protest, one meta-tag accusing him of misuse of the article as a user page is temporarily removed. The author is encouraged to address in a responsible way in the talk pages to each of the meta tags and mend the deficiencies for consideration of removal of metatag, rather than exhibiting further oppositional defience.
- All kinds of possible tags have been inserted into the text again. If someone has serious concerns about the content (not about co-editors), please adress them one by one here, and let's see if we can reach a consensus. Bertilvidet 07:48, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Wiping off the mambo jambo in the main text:
Why, this article takes the biscuit. Can someone use the content in the "caution" (wondering who cares?) above and the following excerpt from another NSC to bring a more respectable encyclopedic article?? Better yet, the political influence jazz should be split to the separate article it belongs. "Among the Council's functions are: strategic advisement to the Prime Minister, offering security recommendations to the government, joint direction and coordinations of the security arms as well as inspection and supervision of decision-making related to the security bodies. Other functions include long-term planning of security approaches, and maintaining cooperative and coordinative relations with the national security elements. The Council is comprised of different wings: security policy, foreign policy, society and infrastructure policy, counter-terrorism, and organization and operations. It has two advisors: legal and financial.the Prime Minister is not obligated to accept its recommendations."
[edit] Citation problem
On the second paragraph past the intro, a Metin Heper is now cited in-text (as opposed to footnotes, if I'm getting this right). However, I'm still not sure if it's properly paraphrased after the end of the first Heper quote. It strikes me as a little confusing in any case. Does anyone know the magazine he's citing? Kennard2 00:45, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
