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[edit] Track listings

Hi. I've noticed that you've made som changes like this one to some album pages which change the track listing format from the one dictated by Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums#Track_listing to one using bold text. Please instead try to conform to these guidelines. Thank you. --PEJL 08:38, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The View

There is no need to be sarcastic or pissy.

At the time of your edit, Star Jones was still considered a current host of the show. Many media outlets reported that she would vacate in July. Obviously things happened behind the scenes to force that exit to be much sooner than expected.

Therefore, at the time I was correct.

Thank you. Have a fantastic day. =)

BobbyCherry2

At the time of my edit, the news had already broken that Star was no longer going to be on the show. At the time of your edit, that day's show had already started, with no Star in sight, and Barbara Walters had already made the announcement that the show would be going forward without Star. Like you said, it's all about "keeping the information timely but accurate." Have a good weekend. MWB1138 03:54, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Films with Bonus Scenes after Credits

Added several new movies to your "Bonus Scenes after Credits" category - "Adventures in Babysitting"; "Clerks."; "Clerks II"; "Dogma (film)"; "Empire Records"; "Eurotrip"; "Fantasia 2000"; "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (film)"; "Lethal Weapon 3"; "Little Man"; "Looney Toons: Back in Action"; "Masters of the Universe (film)"; "Planes, Trains & Automobiles"; "Slither"; "Space Jam"; "Strange Brew"; "Street Fighter (film)"; "Super Mario Bros. (film)"; "The Amityville Horror (2005 film)"; "The Chase (1994 film)"; "The Muppet Movie"; "The Naked Gun 2 1/2: The Smell of Fear"; "This is Spinal Tap"; and "Wayne's World 2".

A thread at TrekBBS is listing out several other examples, but I've left out ones where additional footage is playing solely *during* the credits. There is also an older TrekBBS thread which lists even more examples.

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[edit] Please explain

[edit] Please explain, explained

You made a personal decision without consulting the WP:SOAPS project or anyone who has ever worked on a Days of our Lives article to add the template to the bottom of every character page. Please explain why you did not first try and discuss this personal decision first. I do note that it was a personal decision on your part because we were told to clean up the pages and shorten them and the template makes them longer and makes stub pages look worse. Also, the templates are to remain in alpha order and contain common names, not married names. KellyAna (talk) 15:14, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello. Yes, I made a personal decision to add the template to the bottom of every character page. I did not first try and discuss this personal decision first because I was unaware that I had to consult the WP:SOAPS project or anyone who has ever worked on a Days of our Lives article before making changes to such articles.

As to why I did it, which I suppose is what you're looking for, I saw this huge, nice template somebody made, which was only linked to a handful of other pages. Nowhere did I see anything that said not to add a show template to a character page, so I made the changes. I thought it would be a helpful way to improve the articles, and to get some more use out of the template, which someone obviously worked hard on. Please show me where it says not to put a template in a character page, and I'll personally go back and remove every one of them myself.

As for the template itself, it was out of alphabetical order beforehand. All I did was fix links which were redirecting, or were pointed toward disambiguation pages or, even worse, links which were pointed toward British fashion retailers. The names themselves in the template remained exactly as they were; only the internal links were changed. Again, I was only trying to help. MWB1138 (talk) 22:46, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Add to that a question of did you use AWB or do it manually?? Also please provide an edit summary when making many sweeping change. It assists other edits to understand why mass changes are being made to articles.KellyAna (talk) 15:24, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, it was all manual, baby. As far as edit summaries, I'll usually provide them when I personally consider them necessary. Please note that I included edit summaries in my edits to the template page. But adding a template to a character page, when that character page is already included in the template, doesn't qualify as a "sweeping change," as far as I'm concerned. It's more like an "improvement." MWB1138 (talk) 22:46, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

As my talk page says, when I ask a question on your talk page you can reply there. The question was never asked about the template order, that's another idiot that keeps putting it out of order and messing up the links. The correct version didn't link to anything that wasn't Days related. I personally don't care what you did to the template, I care that you put the template on some incorrect pages and I care that you did, regardless of your PERSONAL opinion, make wide sweeping changes without an edit summary. There is a project page and all sweeping changes are to be approved first. You don't act on your own because you felt like it. And you DO NOT call another editor "baby." Providing edit summaries when you are making MASS changes is necessary. Just because someone makes a template doesn't mean it is right or ready for mass implementation. That's why we have a project page for such things, to discuss before implementing. KellyAna (talk) 22:58, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Be advised

Your rudeness is noted and if it happens again, you will be reported. You do NOT call other editors "baby" and at best if I can find an admin around this weekend, I'm having them come in and note your incivility and disrespect. I am not your "baby" and that was rude. KellyAna (talk) 22:48, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Relax. It's just a way of speaking. I certainly wasn't inferring that you were my "baby." I think any rational third-party would be hard-pressed to find any rudeness, incivility, and disrespect in my comments, but please feel free to report me if it makes you feel better. Thanks. MWB1138 (talk) 22:57, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

No, it is not "just a way of speaking." It is condescending and rude. And i can certainly tell you that your response, and your returning your response to my page after I removed it was against policy and rude. As is telling me to relax after you insulted me. KellyAna (talk) 23:00, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] KellyAna

Okay, we'll do it your way. We'll have all the conversation on this page.

As far as the edits I made, I've already said that I was trying to make helpful changes, and that nowhere did I see anything that said not to make those changes. Again, if there's something out there that I missed, that says that, please point it out to me and I'll be more than happy to go back and remove all those templates personally. No big deal.

As far as the "baby" thing, it was just an expression. I'm sorry if you think it was rude and insulting. I assure you that was not my intent. But please contact the Wikipedia staff, if you must, and let them get to the bottom of this.

As far as responding here versus responding there, I'll plead ignorance on that one. I don't do enough of this talk page stuff to know if I should respond on my page, where I don't know if you'll see it or not, or to do it on your page, where I know you'll see it. So I responded on your page, just to cover my bases. Again, if all the talk is to remain on one page, that's fine with me.

If you have any other concerns or issues you'd like to discuss, you're more than welcome to comment here. In fact, I look forward to it.

Thanks for your time, MWB1138 (talk) 23:14, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Okay, junior, let's break this down.....That is the wrong way to start comments just as calling someone "baby" is the wrong way to address someone.

Again, it was just a figure of speech. Just a saying. Time to let it go. MWB1138 (talk) 22:11, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

So, let's really break down all that's happened.

Yes, let's. MWB1138 (talk) 22:11, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Talk pages~ In general there are a couple of ways to reply on talk pages. Make a comment and wait by putting the user's page on your watch list so you can see when they've replied. Once you see they've replied, you return to read and comment. Certain things require comment, others are final comments and you move on. That's generally what most people do, essentially you assume people have read your replies after they've commented. I explain this because you asked. Some do reply on the other's talk page; but, in general, you don't bring the previous comments with you. That becomes a redundancy on the servers that is unnecessary.

Accepted. MWB1138 (talk) 22:11, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Your changes I have mixed feelings. I have actually added and then removed the template from character pages and have made sure it looked right. I know you did not "mess with the order" and if you look, the last edit made by me did not have Austin Reed going to the wrong page, that was the random IP that had some odd agenda I have yet to figure out. And I know you did a lot of work adding the template to each page. My point is mostly that when you make sweeping changes to many articles in a group, you explain why and if they are part of a project, you consult the project first so people can comment before you make a project wide decision. With the soap project members, most of us have all the related articles on their watchlists. So I can get up in the morning and see that every Days article and then some has a change of (+23) and wonder "what the hell" or with an edit summary I can say "Oh, okay, but....."

And here's the but... Your changes are "hhmmmm" right now. Not wrong, not right in general.

So after all this wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth, my changes (most of which are still there) weren't really all that detrimental in the first place? Fantastic. MWB1138 (talk) 22:11, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

However, in specific, not everyone in the template should have the template on their page. Example William J. Bell he's been a writer on several shows but is credited for and most famous for creating The Young and the Restless. Adding the Days template to his page is an insult.

I'd suggest that, if adding a template to someone's page would be considered an insult to them, then perhaps they shouldn't be in the template in the first place. MWB1138 (talk) 22:11, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

With writers, you can't add the template to their page even if you add it to every character on the show because you'd have to add every show they'd ever worked on and you just can't have 6 templates at the bottom of some pages. Then there's the redundancy of adding the template to a cast list as you did with List of Days of our Lives cast members. All the cast members and characters are there, why add a redundant template? It's been removed as has the template from all the writers.

The soaps take a special hand. There's project members, project guidelines to deal with. Sweeping changes to project pages of any kind require discussion. Next time you take on such sweeping changes, do an edit summary at the least, at the most, talk to the project. It's not about right or wrong, it's about project guidelines. KellyAna (talk) 01:12, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, believe me, honey, after this little episode, never again will I even dream of making any changes to any soap opera pages, no matter how screwed up they might be. MWB1138 (talk) 22:11, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I thought this was over but I see you still feel the need to be condescending and insulting. Really, really pathetic. KellyAna (talk) 00:03, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I've been busy with real life, and this is the first chance I've had to respond. I simply haven't had the time lately to log onto Wikipedia for hours on end to edit a bunch of pages about soap opera characters. But yes, I'm the pathetic one. LOL. MWB1138 (talk) 03:08, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, an attempt at a personal attack. Too funny!! I work on the computer so I'm in front of it for 10 hours at a time. The computer IS my real life, so don't try that as an insult. There are a lot of people who have great paying jobs that have them sitting in front of a computer for hours on end. You're the one stooping to insults, not me. See, your insults attack people who sit at computers for a living, not just me. So, pretty much, yeah, you're the pathetic one. KellyAna (talk) 03:13, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

No, it wasn't an attempt at a personal attack at all. You're the one who used the word "pathetic" first, ma'am; I was just following up on it. Anyway, this little discussion is going nowhere. Clearly, my original edits must have been somewhat acceptable, or else they wouldn't be there anymore. So, can we cease with the discussion? Or shall we continue? For the time being, I've got as much free time as you apparently do, so I'm good either way, but I gotta be honest: I'd kind of like for it to be over. You watching my talk page like a hawk is more than a little creepy. MWB1138 (talk) 03:22, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Again, maybe you have a lack of understanding of how Wikipedia works. There's a "watch this page" feature that many of us use when we comment or reply to other editor's talk pages. It's not creepy, it's a Wikipedia feature. When you reply, your page moves to the top of the cue. Not watching like a hawk, allowing Wiki to do its work. You're the one using words like "honey" and "ma'am" to insult and then adding insults like "spending hours on end on the computer" when there are many who do such a thing in their day to day life. The reason your edits stand is because I've got spreadsheets to work on and I'm waiting for consensus. I've not necessarily notified others about your edits. You can pretend your words were not an attempt at a personal attack. I certainly don't believe it. KellyAna (talk) 03:37, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

"Ma'am" is now considered an insult?! What color is the sky in your world? Sheesh. Glad to see you've decided to continue on with the "discussion;" so much is being accomplished. Good show. MWB1138 (talk) 03:43, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, "Ma'am" the way you said it is an insult. It's like the teen who doesn't want to hand you your fries but has to because he's being paid $4.75 an hour to do so. In the south west regions of the US "ma'am" is insulting. It implies you are old and unworthy.KellyAna (talk) 03:58, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Give me a break, lady. There's nothing at all insulting about the word "ma'am." I think you're looking way too into things. But congrats on continuing this pointless exchange yet again. I can keep this up for as long as you can. (That's what she said.) MWB1138 (talk) 04:07, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Did you read the link that you redirected to? Madam means a married woman, the addition of Ms. is false and should be sourced. By the definition you provided it means married or divorced. Neither of which are correct and are insults to people being assumed as so. You further need to stop using quantifiers such as "honey", "lady", "ma'am" as all show disrespect in your form of usage. It is not impossible to see your intention to insult. It's rather obvious in fact. KellyAna (talk) 03:34, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh my God, please get a life, please quit being so hyper-sensitive and self-righteous, and please quit watching my page, ma'am. You're just grasping at straws at this point, looking for anything "insulting" so that you can feel justified in your actions. You are extremely creepy. Please just go away. Please quit watching my page. Please just leave me alone. Thank you. MWB1138 (talk) 04:01, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Which god would that be? Stop replying with disparaging comments, put downs, and insults, and I will go away but as you continually feel the need to be uncivil, I must point out your incivility. I am neither old nor married and therefor not a ma'am. Creepy is, again, another insult. "Get a life" again, yet another insult. Your incivility is documented in spades. I'm not the one that made mass changed without edit summaries to a quantity of pages that I still may need to revert but that decision is pending as no consensus has been reached on keep or delete the annoying template. Just because something exists doesn't mean one can assume where it belongs on articles they've never dealt with and are not part of the project for. Likely by the weekend if no consensus exists, I'll spend a day removing the template, again, unless someone says otherwise. KellyAna (talk) 04:31, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Jesus Christ. You're the one who started this harassment, and you're the one who chooses to continue with it. How many times do we need to discuss my edits? You yourself said they were neither good nor bad. They're still up, and I've repeatedly stated that if they were found to be in the wrong, that I'll happily go back and revert them. What more is there to talk about? Let it go. In the name of all that is holy, please quit watching my page, and please leave me alone. I'm getting sick and tired of your harassment and bullying. Find something else to do, and someone else to pick on. Thank you very much. MWB1138 (talk) 05:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)