Talk:Mount Cayley

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To-do list for Mount Cayley:	edit · history · watch · refresh
Improvements needed to nominate for Good or Featured status (at least a B-class in all actuality) Resolve redlinks and non-links by finding existing articles or creating new ones Add more text (with refs) explaining the mountain/volcano, its history, relationship to other similar Cascade volcanoes, climbing, recreation, discovery, etc.

It is requested that a map or maps be included in this article to improve its quality. Wikipedians in British Columbia may be able to help!

Contents 1 Age of last eruption 2 The first recorded ascent? 3 Landing Place of the Thunderbird 4 Disaster management template inclusion 5 For an FA...

[edit] Age of last eruption

Does anybody know the correct age of Mount Cayley's last eruption? near the bottom of this page they say Mount Cayley last erupted about 5000 years ago [1] and here they say it's 310,000 years ago [2]. Black Tusk 03:47, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The first recorded ascent?

I just want to point out that oral history does count as a method of record keeping for history. Skwxwu7mesh have been in and up around that mountain for thousands of years. OldManRivers (talk) 18:22, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

The First ascent, as linked in the infobox, is defined as "modern" though. --Qyd (talk) 18:43, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

And Europeans "discovered" America. What about changing it to, The first recorded European ascent or The first recored non-indigenous ascent. I didn't know it was a "climbing" term which I imagine most don't know that either. OldManRivers (talk) 05:55, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

• • "first recorded" means exactly that, including oral history. Other than the Thunderbird, are there any name-specific or even "some guy specific" oral histories about an scent of this peak? Claiming that people had been up and around there isn't the same thing as climbing the peak; no doubt there are peaks/summits which have FN stories that can be cited as first ascents; I'd say Nes'kato, the peak in In-SHUCK-ch where Ntanenkin's canoe beached after the Great Flood qualifies, although that's the notch below the peaks, not hte peaks. Orally recorded history is fine if it's there, but it can't be assumed to exist in a vague way; teh statement is "first recorded", simply. If there is a Skxwxu7mesh record, please cite it.Skookum1 (talk) 22:10, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I agree, and good idea. I guess archaeological records would also be good. I'll see what I can find. OldManRivers (talk) 04:25, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Isn't there a canoe/flood myth/oral history to do with Mount Garibaldi? Mind you, again, that doesn't mean anyone set foot on the peak. I know there's a peak or two up around the Ring Glacier/Compton Neve (head of Lillooet River) that was named in St'at'imc by a youths' climbing group/program from Mt Currie; can't remember the name right now; they were the first recorded ascent of it and so named it, I do know that, in the modern era.....Skookum1 (talk) 18:06, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it's true about my people surviving the flood by latching onto Mount Garibaldi. OldManRivers (talk) 06:19, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I think the Cayley and Garibaldi articles are in need for much more expansion. How about more on history, climbing, first discovery, etc? The Mount Garibaldi and Mount Cayley articles could easily be built into a B, GA and eventually an FA. Thanks. Black Tusk 06:56, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

As with any article, many many many deserving expansion. Mountaineering history's neither my thing nor OMR's (we know each other through aboriginal articles); suggest you go to WikiProject Mountains (look on Cayley's or Garibaldi's talkpages for a link/box) for help.Skookum1 (talk) 01:38, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Just an idea, because if you look at other Cascade volcano articles (e.x. Mount Shasta, Mount Hood, Mount St. Helens) you will see that lots of Wikipedia users have expanded them, but not the Canadian Cascade volcanoes. Why is this? I have no idea. I have put lots of effort into the Canadian Cascade volcanoes since I first joined Wikipedia. Based on article history, it appears I'm mostly the one who expands them. Are these unknown volcanoes of the Cascade Volcanic Arc, or are they just useless and pointless? If that's what most people think, it's not actually true, as they are closely related. Black Tusk 02:45, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Look, it's a given that American wiki editors focus their energy on American articles; Americans, for all Canadian mythology likes to make dumb of them, do make a much more concerted effort on the national iconography/landscape, including hte passion of the Cascade Volcano pages and, if you look around, a lot of pages to do with Oregon and California hsitory and geography. For one thing, there just aren't as many Canadians and, within Canadians, enough British Columbians, who are interested; some areas within BC are very well-covered, Vancouver-related articles particularly; but some are very "blank" and surprisingly so given the richness of some regions' and towns' histories (e.g. the Slocan); same with mountains, mountain ranges, parks, and more; if you go to the BC project page and shop around the various members and look at their talkpages you'll get an idea how busy everybody already is with their own interests, and how much t ime already put in; a BIG reason I took a wikibreak, and am hesitant to get involved fulltime again, is the amount of work out there to be done; what I'm basically saying/asking is that complaining nobody's helped won't get you any help. I suggest you bring the Cayley or Garibaldi pages up for recommended feature article nomination at the BC Project page, and also on the Mountains project page; input from both groups would help; I'm not the one to do it, nor is OMR, although in his case there's Skwxwu7mesh content to be added and sensitivities to be observed.Skookum1 (talk) 04:59, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not complaining, it's just something I have noticed for quite a while. I know lots of people might think Canadian volcanoes are no threat because of how quiet they are, but if you have lots of knowledge about them, you will understand how much of a treat they can be. For example, Mount Meager is responceable for Canada's most recent major explosive eruption 2350 years ago, sending ash as far as Alberta. The Tseax River Cone at the Tseax River is responsible for killing 2000 Nisga'a people and destroying two villages during the 18th century. None of these arn't old in geological terms. Black Tusk 23:12, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Landing Place of the Thunderbird

Can someone find a reference for this? I did a google search and can't seem to find anything about it. Also, where does the name "Black Tusk" come from for Mount Cayley? What's its naming history? Black Tusk 22:11, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

That's from OldManRivers' Skwxwu7mesh resources; maybe there's a specific publication he can cite. Important to note he's not saying this is the Black Tusk, but what Cayley was called in the Skwxwu7mesh language translates that way; whether there's a connection to the name of today's Black Tusk I wouldn't know. I do know that something up in the Cayley-Powder area is called the Red Tusk around Whistler....Skookum1 (talk) 22:28, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I found a reference for the Thunderbird here, but there's nothing about when Cayley was called Black Tusk. Could Red Tusk be Mount Fee? Black Tusk 22:34, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I have sources. I'll see if I can find any others. Let me be as clear as possible: Black Tusk and Mount Cayley are both called t'ak't'ak mu'yin tl'a in7in'a'xe7en. t'ak't'ak mu'yin tl'a in7in'a'xe7en translates into "Landing Place of the Thunderbird". To English speakers, the mountains are called Mount Cayley and Black Tusk. I had a list names for other mountains in the area also. OldManRivers (talk) 07:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

The reference I found above says Cayley and Black Tusk are landing places of the Thunderbird. What I'm confused about is the name Black Tusk. On 4 February 2008 you added: Black Tusk Mountain, or t'ak't'ak mu'yin tl'a in7in'a'xe7en is a mountain considered "very sacred" by the local Indigenous Sḵwxwú7mesh. It is known to them as the "Landing Place of the Thunderbird", home of the legendary Thunderbird. to the Cayley article. Is Cayley called Black Tusk as well? Or is it just a mistake? If it has the same name as Black Tusk it should be reworded to make it sound less confusing. Black Tusk 17:46, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Mistake. I wanted to copy the t'ak't'ak mu'yin tl'a in7in'a'xe7en part of the other article but added too much. I think this is where the confusion came from. Sorry about that. OldManRivers (talk) 19:06, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Disaster management template inclusion

I've added this particular page to the Disaster management WikiProject because the volcano has an eruption scenario and has the potential to effect southern British Columbia and Alberta. There have been shallow earthquakes near Mount Cayley since 1985, and seismic studies revealed a strong mid-crustal reflector beaneath it consistent with a large, solidifed, mafic, sill-like intrusion. The eruptive scenario used is approximately equivalent, in terms of magnitude and sequence of events, to its neighbour Mount Meager 2350 years ago. Black Tusk 21:33, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] For an FA...

This article is of good quality, but could use some touching up:

• References

• Images

• Expanded information

I am going to promote this article to B-class, but it still needs some work before GAC. Meldshal42_{Hit me}^{What I've Done} 20:30, 8 May 2008 (UTC)