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The article Radio Monash was nominated for deletion. The debate was closed on 2007-06-25 with a consensus to merge the content into Monash University. If the merger is not completed promptly, Radio Monash might be re-nominated for deletion. To discuss the merger, please use this talk page.

Contents 1 Engineering Ranking 2 Size of campus 3 The synchrotron is NOT an electron microscope 4 Removed 5 Faculties 6 Gippsland Campus 7 Radio Monash 8 VC's term of office 9 Merge here of Monash University Accident Research Centre

[edit] Engineering Ranking

The article says "Its Engineering Faculty was also ranked number 1 in Australia and approximately number 16 in the world according to THES 2004/2005.". According to THES 2004/2005 It is the Univesrity of New South Whales with a ranking of 16th in the world and 1 in Australia.

Rankings here (you need to register for a free 14-day trial to view the rankings): http://www.thes.co.uk/statistics/international_comparisons/2005/top_100_tech.aspx

--Gms 14:21, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Size of campus

The article as it currently stands says the Monash Clayton campus is the largest university campus by area in the Southern Hemisphere, at 100 hectares (1 km²). But Murdoch University here in Perth has a campus of 247 hectares. - Mark 13:10, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

I have gone ahead and removed the offending statement. Both Murdoch and ANU have larger campuses than Monash. - Mark 13:59, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

I would say the largest single campus in Melbourne is actually LaTrobe university's Bundoora campus - I've visited both Monash and the LaTrobe campuses and I distinctly remember my impression of LaTrobe as being enormous, it seemed to go on forever with a lot of parkland; Monash is only a little bigger than a couple of city blocks.

[edit] The synchrotron is NOT an electron microscope

Therefore i have edited this abomination out of existence

You should have signed your work. The Synchrotron may not be an electron microscope but it can be used for microscopic analysis. It is in fact a particle accelerator. You can't delete this section entirely, its far too important! Manic4wiki 12:44, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed

What appears to be nothing more than a vanity link, considering the other Notable Alumni.

"It is one of Australia's "Group of Eight" leading universities"

The Group of Eight is not a group of leading universities. It is a lobby group, thats it. It does contain what are clearly some of the leading institutions, but it is mearly a group of universities with the most money and resources pooling their resources for lobbying the government. The above reference makes it sound like Monash is one of the 8 top universities in the country becsuse it is in the Go8. Rank universities by the The Times Higher Education Supplement and other proper resources not by membership of another organization that clearly states that it wants to be seen as a lobby group only.--Maverick05 14:50, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I think Maverick has a point. Ambi, why do you disagree? Would it help if it said "It belongs to Australia's "Group of Eight" universities."? --Bduke 11:02, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Here is what the given reasons as to why Ambi believes I am wrong. Plus my responses.

They are the eight universities with the highest entry scores FALSE (yeah sure if you look at only the top couple of courses that’s true, but look at the whole picture and you will see that it is far from the truth, the University of Melbourne has two of the highest entry requirements for courses in Victoria, but they also have the two lowest in the state, don’t be selective), the highest demand FALSE(in Victoria, my area of expertise, the highest demand statistics showed up as a mix between the University of Melbourne and Deakin, not a Go8 member), the “highest prestige” (true perhaps, but prestige is a ridiculous statistic, prestige is gained simply by the fact that these universities have been around the longest, who really cares, what SHOULD be the measurement of how good a university it is now not 100 years ago), “and the best job prospects” (prestigious stereotypes may lead this to be somewhat true, but in fact if you look at the detailed breakdown job entry rates from Melbourne and Monash the gap is very small, again archaic stereotypes lead people to believe that job entry is easier from these universities, they really hold very little advantage).

I know this sounds trivial, but this is a stereotype that I am frankly sick of. I have been trying to push through this stuff in my work for years and everything I can do to stop it I will do it. --Maverick05 11:41, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I have added another reference to the Go8, one that is not misleading, its not good, it doesnt sound good, but to be i dont mind how good it sounds as long as its not misleading. If we keep misleading information on this site we defeat its entire purpose.--Maverick05 11:53, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

If you want to make it clearer that it is largely a lobby group, be my guest. However, moving it down below a sentence about the size of the Clayton campus is nonsensical. "I have been trying to push through this stuff in my work for years and everything I can do to stop it I will do it." Wikipedia is not a place to push an agenda. Ambi 01:02, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Whats there now is fine by me. What I meant by the comment before, in my work i encounter many people who have an attitude that Go8 universities, especially the sandstones, deserve preferential treatment, and that these universitys are automaticly better in every way shape and form. If a resource such as wikipedia reports the Go8 universities as better, just because they are Go8 members, that attitude will continue and continue to cause problems. --Maverick05 06:03, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Faculties

It appears that the list of faculties is outdated and incorrect. No longer does the School Of Physics And Materials Engineering exist. I am unaware of the reseach centres associated with the, now, Department Of Materials Engineering; nor do I know which centres relate to the School Of Physics. I will make changes to the faculty list concerning the School Of Physics And Materials Engineering when I am more informed on the issue. However, other faculties may need to be checked and amendments made as necessary. - 01:16, 04 Mar 2006 (UTC +10)

Why isnt the David Dehram Law School in the Fac listing? Man this page needs a heck of a lot of work Domza 11:19, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

can we break out the faculties into its own page, cause its messy as all hell. PLEASE? Domza 01:26, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Faculties have now been reduced to their names, with links providing more details as to precisely what they incorporate. Many of these new faculty pages are fairly information-light at the moment. This makes the page much neater, I think —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Profb21 (talk • contribs) 07:40:09, August 19, 2007 (UTC).

This page talks about the "particularly notable Law School" and further down "notable David Derham Law School." This probably isn't enough mentions of the "notable" and/or "particularly notable" law school, perhaps we should include "very notable", "most notable" and of course "incestuously notable" to the other adjectives used for this law school. The law school should also be mentioned at least every third sentsnce as it is obviously the glue that binds the university together.

[edit] Gippsland Campus

This subsection states: "Gippsland Campus Gippsland campus is home to 2,000 on-campus students, 5,000 off-campus students and nearly 400 staff. The campus sits prettily in the Latrobe Valley's little town of Churchill, 142km east of Melbourne on 63 hectares of landscaped grounds. It is the only non-metropolitan campus of Monash University."

I'm planning to change this to: "Gippsland Campus Gippsland campus is home to approximately 2,000 on-campus students, 5,000 off-campus students and nearly 400 staff. The campus is situated in the Latrobe Valley town of Churchill, 142km east of Melbourne on 63 hectares of landscaped grounds. It is the only non-metropolitan campus of Monash University."

Any objections? Tinkstar1985 05:27, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

There's no problem with that at all, and there's nothing wrong with being bold and making the edit right away, because "sitting prettily in a town" is hardly the sort of tone that you'd expect in an encyclopedia. I've gone ahead and made the changes for you. invincible 05:22, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Radio Monash

Hello. The result of a recent AfD discussion was to merge the relevant contents of Radio Monash into this article. Given that I'm the one who originally posted the article for deletion, it's only just that I take my share of the work resulting from the discussion.  :-)

Anyone wish to chime in before I get to work? Is there a preferred way active contributors to this article would prefer to see this done? Coren 17:28, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

There is mention of Radion Monash at Monash Student Association but nothing at Monash University. I think something of the redirected article should be added, but I'm not sure what. --Bduke 22:21, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] VC's term of office

I came here looking for when Richard was appointed, and couldn't see it. It would be useful to change the sentence saying he is the VC to include "(since January 2003)" (or whenever it was) and possibly to include "and is due to retire in January 2008" (or whenever it is) Natebailey 03:16, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

It states that the current VC is leaving to take up the chair of the AVCC, but the cited article only says that he's taking up the position - not that he's quitting as Monash VC to do so. As far as I know, the chair of the AVCC has generally been a sitting vice-chancellor. Is there a source for this? Rebecca 01:39, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I actually think the Monash Memo article is wrong, and he is being appointed as President, rather than as chair. I can't find a reference for this, so I've had to stick to what Memo said (although as you point out, I've assumed his retirement from Monash, which I only know by word of mouth). BTW, in searching for this, I've found a reference for when he started. Natebailey 08:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I believe the correct date is March 2009 (but still no reference! :-) Natebailey 12:49, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge here of Monash University Accident Research Centre

This stub has been around since July 2006. It still does not assert notability and it has no external references. It should be merged into a very brief paragraph in the main Monash article. Please give your views below.

• Merge as above. --Bduke (talk) 02:11, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

The MUARC has provided a conduit for Tenix to tax the Australian motorist by producing 'research' justifying the use of red light cameras and speed cameras. Making Australian roads safer has been subjugated to satisfying corporate greed.

The MUARC is a blot on the reputation of Monash university and would be best forgotten about altogether.Nickcoop (talk) 09:16, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

• Do not merge

The MUARC is the leading accident research centre in the Southern Hemisphere. Its work has influenced government policy in a range of areas all over the world. It would be preferable to improve the quality of the independent article rather than merging it. Merging it would probably labouriously require restructuring and adding a new section to the Monash University main article. It also raises tricky questions as to which Monash research centres merit their own pages and which do not. I am happy to edit the current page to improve it and justify its continued independent existence.Profb21

Profb21's previous editing of the MUARC page read like an advertisement. My own comments to add some balance were deleted by Profb21. The corruption of academic honesty at the MUARC casts a smear over Monash university. It is not anything to boast about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickcoop (talk • contribs) 04:44, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

• Do not merge

It has already been noted that "MUARC is the leading accident research centre." This is quite correct. The article should be expanded---not deleted. Why? First because MUARC is a jewel in the crown of one of Australia's best universities. Second, because it's research is often controversial and people want to know about it. Third, it's a very rare organisation amongst Australian universities in that it's entirely privately funded. And finally, because it has a long list of prominent staff and students such as Prof Peter Vulcan, Prof Ian Johnston, and Pros Claus Tingvall (I'm not sure of the spelling of the last one). The stub for MUARC is important. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.199.84 (talk) 14:37, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

• Do not merge

The MUARC is indeed an important institution, and should have its own article. JimBreen (talk) 02:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC)