Talk:Model (art)

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Contents 1 Hazards 2 Art Models 3 History 4 Contradiction 5 Merging 'Nude modeling' article 6 Merging Time for print article

[edit] Hazards

The "Hazards" section was unsourced and preposterous, so I blipped it: 1. I know of no scientific study that specifically connects Art modeling with varicose veins, nerve and muscle damage, skin discoloration, and temporary paralysis. To make the leap of assumption that all Art modeling includes "prolonged circulation cut-offs" is WP:OR. 2. The "model becoming chilled" hardly constitutes a hazard. 3. Stepping on tacks from platforms in disrepair is possible, I suppose, but so is stepping on a broken Yoo-Hoo bottle from studios in disarray. wikipediatrix 00:39, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Art Models

Examples of Art Modeling in film: Titanic is the worst possible example, since the drawing session is essentially foreplay, soon followed in the story by sex. This nudity=sex bias runs through most of popular media. The impromptu drawing session in "As Good as It Gets" is better, but for a more accurate portayal of a professional artist/model relationship, see the film "Maze"(2000) with Rob Morrow and Laura Linney.FigureArtist 19:45, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History

I cannot be the only one curious about "the unfortunate contadino" and Sansovino. What exactly happened to make his remuneration unfortunate? CKozeluh 23:38, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I added that verbatim from the 1911 Britannica, in which the articles are densely written and don't always explain themselves. The section should probably be rewritten. Anyway I found this on Google which I assume is what they're talking about: "A story of a somewhat later date still further illustrates the dependence of the work of art upon the model in Renaissance Florence. Jacopo Sansovino made the statue of a youthful "Bacchus" in close imitation of a lad called Pippo Fabro. Posing for hours together naked in a cold studio, Pippo fell into ill health, and finally went mad. In his madness he frequently assumed the attitude of the "Bacchus" to which his life had been sacrificed, and which is now his portrait."[1] --Chroniclev 01:53, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Contradiction

"In the art school classroom setting, the purpose is to learn how to draw humans of all different shapes, ages, and ethnicities, so there are no real limitations on who the model can be. Children are excluded from modeling for these purposes as they are considered too young to pose."

If children aren't allowed to model, then how can the purpose of learning to draw humans of all ages be fulfilled? And what does "too young to pose" mean anyway? -- Smjg 13:25, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Children in an art classroom generally follows the same guildlines whether they are artists or models. Most schools do not allow anyone under 18, but others require parental permission. FigureArtist 19:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merging 'Nude modeling' article

• Merge and redirect Nude Modeling here. There is an argument that "nude modeling" includes modeling for voyeuristic purposes and that such modeling does not constitute "Model (art)". However, clearly, no one is going to greatly expand that portion of the Nude Modeling article and considering that substantial overlap between the NM article and the NM section is possible, that alone isn't enough to keep them as separate articles. RickReinckens 05:17, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
• Support - it's quite stubbish and overlapping. Fastifex 11:44, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
• Don't merge. Art Modeling and Nude Modeling are two vastly different worlds and must eventually be covered separately, despite the current stub status. I for one do not wish to see porno nude modeling and art nude modeling forced to share the same article. In my experience most models see the two as vastly different. wikipediatrix 22:31, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

That doesn't seem to be the point of this new article at all. The article includes art modeling in its scope, and note the creator's comments on its talk page. --Chroniclev 02:31, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

• Don't Merge. I agree that posing nude for the fine arts is essentially different than other nude modeling, particularly for non-photographic media. Holding still, breaking and resuming a pose, and working in classrooms is unique to the art school environment.FigureArtist 19:49, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merging Time for print article

Before suggesting, the article was marked with the {{unencyclopediac}} tag because it is a new term for pro-bono based modeling. I think it should be merged here instead, due to its rising use throughout the modeling community. --LBMixPro ^{<Speak|on|it!>} 18:42, 9 December 2006 (UTC) TFP/TFCD is part of the commecial photography world, and has little to do with modeling for the fine arts.FigureArtist 02:38, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

• OPPOSE: Not specific to ART-modelling (often amateurs!), but al profesoional Arcarius 08:40, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

• OPPOSE: Actually, if anything, "TFP/CD" is part of the amateur modeling world. Professional photographers rarely shoot trade for anything. They may shoot "test," but despite often being used interchangeably by those who don't know better, the two things are not the same. "Land-based" agencies, models and photographers, who still form the vast majority of the "real" modeling world, do not use the term. Furthermore, it has nothing to do with "pro-bono" anything. TFP is barter, not gift. However, even though the term is more commonly used in amateur/art modeling than in professional/commercial modeling, it's still important enough that it deserves its own article. People who are looking for the definition and description of TF* should not have to wade through a general article on modeling. 71.194.183.199 01:18, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

• oppose per those above. Johnbod 01:32, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

• oppose: TFP/CD is for photographic models just starting out who want to build a commercial portfolio, and has little relationship to fine arts modeling.FigureArtist 23:35, 18 September 2007 (UTC)