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[edit] Merge

Shouldn't this article be merged with Aztec, since they are one and the same people? Mexica, was the original name, Aztec a term coined by Alexander von Humboldt, but they both refer to the same tribe. --the Dúnadan 03:44, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

The Aztecs were Mexica, but not all Mexica were Aztecs. Tlatelolco was a separate Mexica state that fought with Tenochtitlan (and lost). --Ptcamn 05:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. I don't think equating Aztec with Tenochca is a common usage. Actually a usage more consistent with everyday usage would be to say that all nahua are aztecs and the Tenochca and Tlatelolca are also Mexica.·Maunus· ·ƛ· 08:02, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Not exactly — the Tlaxcalans were Nahuas, but certainly not Aztecs. The definition of Aztec (as I discussed at Talk:Aztec#Terminology) is kind of vague. But in any case, it's not synonymous with Mexica. --Ptcamn 17:02, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

ME Smith defines Tlaxcalteca as Aztecs. The etymology of Aztec being persons form Aztlan also include Tlaxcalteca. "Aztec" is such a shitty term and ME Smiths definition is the one that comes closest to making sense since laypeople don't distinguish between Aztecs and other nahua speaking people, linguists sometimes call Nahuan for aztec etc. ·Maunus· ·ƛ· 17:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

True, yet Aztec already talks about the differences between the two terms (Mexica/Aztec), and how the other Nahua tribes fit into the definition. Moreover, since in some (if not most) cases Mexica and Aztec are synonymous, that article already elaborates on the history and culture of the Mexica and, therefore, this article is redundant.In fact every section is linking to that of the Aztec. There is no need to have two articles with the same content, if one already explains the nuances of both terms. Unless we remove all detailed references for the Mexica in Aztec, so that the existence of a second article is justified, it makes no sense to keep this particular article, and in my opinion, being almost synonymous, you cannot remove all detailed references for the Mexica in Aztec.

--the Dúnadan 16:41, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Is there any information in this article which is not in the Aztec article?? Madman 00:23, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

None really. Even the etymology of the word Mexica is already included in that article. If that is the case, I think this article should be deleted. However, considering the recent dispute concerning the name of the article at Talk:Aztec, I propose that we include both terms in the leading paragraph at Aztec and in bold characters, properly defined. --the Dúnadan 00:40, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't think is a good idea to delete mexica. The difference between terms is palpable. First Aztec is a false term that embody a lot of cultures, we have a analogy with the term Greek. There are cultural difference between a Mexica form his other Aztec cultures. Following the talk:aztecI'm agree that points in common will be address in a Nahua - Aztec - mexica fashion we only need time to add it to the article Cuellared (talk) 02:11, 30 November 2007 (UTC)