Talk:Metagaming

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How can this article not mention anything about Rock_Paper_Scissors? RPS is the quintessential metagame; the only way to win is if you have an idea of what your opponent will do next. --99.141.89.235 (talk) 14:01, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I think this article is kinda metarded. If you dunno what I mean, maybe I should write an opaque and awkward article for "metarded." Lemme know. --Nick 22:10, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

This _really_ could do with a simpler definition for people. At the moment, its just very difficult to comprehend, and could do with being explained better. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CalPaterson (talk • contribs) 16:16, 27 May 2005 (UTC).

Agreed. While the history behind the term is fascinating, it is unclear. Some dates might clear it up. Also it lacks a concise definition like "playing with the rules instead of playing the game." I'd take a whack at it, but from the existing entry it looks like this is a deeper topic than I was aware of. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.165.249.186 (talk • contribs) 05:26, 11 September 2005 (UTC).

I've added some additional information to the general explanation, though I don't have the historical knowledge to add any dates. I also added a definition for "metagaming" as it's used in CCG/CMG tournaments. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Parakkum (talk • contribs) 20:52, 8 June 2006 (UTC).

Hm...I was under the impression that in competitive gaming, "metagame" can also refer to the highest level at which the game is currently played? For example, let's say in a fighting game, there are two characters, A and B. A is easier to learn, but B has more potential. So for beginners, A is better than B, but in the metagame, B is better than A.

In response to the above edit -- yes, that is true. Its a definition commonly used in reference to SSBM. -- The M.P. 03:23, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

That seems a really simplistic definition of metagame since that seems to be largely part of the primary game mechanics. It's often the case in fighting games that there are easier to use characters and harder to use characters with more potential. How is that considered beyond the normal gameplay mechanic?

64.233.51.146 21:20, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] A few clairifications??

Definations and opinions I am P3n1s adding are more to the RP and RPG sphere of the defination, I do hope it aids to in clairifying at least part of the contradiction. It is based strictly on administrative works and ovservations within various enviroments.

In the RP enviroments there are many factors that would constitue "meta-gaming". In its most basic form it would be "the useage of information, knowledge or skills that would not be normally known to the character in question to gain advantage over another character, situation/scenaro." This does include willingly useing information. Say, planning to meet up with a foe to give other players a show of a battle, useing biographies to know a players past AS a player and so forth.

This would extend into spotting an in game exploit or farming areas for items of experience in the eyes of many. To me these are different factors that I address from a different angle as an administrator and not metagaming per-say.

The part of the article covering this sphere seems to be pretty close to the mark.

Korbin Deathstalker 23:00, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Strategy

In my opinion, this article is confusing to many people because it co-incides with their definition of "strategy". Aren't most strategies a form of metagaming? Also, in any game that does not force the rules upon you (as a computer game would), but requires you to know the rules (for example, a card game), you are "metagaming" when you play, no? [edited for clarity] 69.65.232.61 (talk) 06:56, 17 January 2008 (UTC)